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LeBron will be in Cleveland.
Wade and Boozer will be in Miami.
That's all for my fearless predictions today.
another TP trade.... oh god....
lebroun make up your mind quick, then everybody will be able to finish this damn long FA period so that you can talk future line-ups, summer league, world championship... instead of trying elaborate TP for a TE or toney douglas BS
LeBron will be in Cleveland.
Wade and Boozer will be in Miami.
That's all for my fearless predictions today.
Abbott was only thinking that the Spurs could trade Tony away in a lopsided deal and then use the resulting trade exception to even things out by acquiring a very good player. And he's absolutely correct about that. They could. They could trade Tony to New York today and then start looking to get some big name free agent in a separate transaction sometime over the next 12 months.
My point is that it's too risky to the Spurs to do it that way. If they're going to give away Tony they need to already have something worked out so that they know specifically who they're going to get with that TE. At that point whether the Spurs make one 3-team trade or two separate 2-team trades just depends on the specifics of the deal(s). Sometimes there are cap benefits to be realized by structuring things as two deals instead of one, or visa versa.
Trading Tony Parker to the Knicks would be an awful move.
I see the comparisons to Manu's contract situation and, while no doubt some of this is posturing on TP's agents part, there are a few differences:
1. Age. Tony at 28 will want (and should expect) a long term deal (5years+) Manu's age meant a 3 year commitment was a lot more reasonable to both parties.
2. CBA/Lockout. Whatever happens here the landscape is looking to be significantly changed (worse from players view, better from owners).
Given those 2 factors the Front Office risk associated to Manu's contract is much less (2yrs, 1yr if lockout) than the risk on any TP extension (5years +). Plus the incentive for TP to get an extension now is that much greater than it was with Manu, if he waits till next July that's huge financial risk I don't see him taking.
The Spurs have shown themselves to err on the side of caution with big financial risks. It's not too much of a stretch to think that the Spurs have indicated to TP the likelihood of an extension this year is low and are doing the right thing by him to get him to a team that will extend him (NY makes sense here).
All depends on the new CBA, but that risk to SA/incentive to TP could be as much as $40-$50m?? (lower max, shorter years, less guaranteed $$$'s). So while it makes no sense at all from a bball viewpoint the $$$'s for each side would point to all this smoke having some substance.
For a straight TE makes no sense though, but a 3way for a SF could be viable.
In January, when NY is still a lottery team, they'll trade him then or to someone for something better. Come 2011, we don't want to be what the Phoenix Suns ended up this year -- i.e., not getting a damn thing for Amare.
or demanding a trade i.e. like Nash...
The Spurs offered Manu the max they could possibly offer him under the current rules. It had nothing to do with with some calculated move.
They simply couldn't have offered any more years or money if they wanted to, IIRC.
Per the coaching staff, Hill did a good enough job to have Tony coming off the bench at the end of the season and during the Mavs series. I'd say Hill did better in his 2nd year the TP did in his. And we don't need a PG who has to have the ball in his hands as much as TP does. Frankly, I look forward to having TP gone, if not by the end of this month, then come trade deadline in 2011.
It seems Tony could sign elsewhere next summer so he couldn't be here next 5 years anyway.
To me with or without TP we aren't close to win next year.So there is no reason to not trade him if we can get good players for the future.
Fair point, wasn't trying to make it look calculated just that contract length wasn't really a concern with Manu, it is with any TP extension.
Agreed. And it's important not just for the Spurs, but for Tony too. The next CBA might not allow for as many years of guaranteed money.
In the worst case scenario, if Tony wants to leave next year, there still can be a sign and trade and I can't imagine Tony refusing...
ps/ I still think he's going to sign an extention.
A lot will depend on FA and how the team comes together. I can see TP traded, but when the Spurs signed Manu, to me that signaled TP was in the plans for the future.
timvp, I've never really felt that TP was the engine that runs this thing. To be honest, he's never seemed really sincere in his words, whether it be in interviews, practices, whatever. He seems humble, but I think I would absolutely hate him if he weren't a Spur. Yes, his lifestyle does bother me in terms of glam and glitz. I can't really pinpoint in words what exactly I'm trying to say, but in recent history our most favorite and beloved Spurs have been some of the most down-to-earth, kind, and class acts. Robinson, of course. Duncan. Manu. Bowen. I just don't see Parker as someone like these guys, on or off the court.
Plus, he's not really a prototypical PG, but more off-guard. He's never one to have the best court vision, good, but not Nash-like(sorry, had to). That tends to make him a more self-utilized shooter looking for his own shot in the half-court.
the I hate parker but I don't know why club has a new member
I guess this is the same thing about the french, people don't like french but don't know exactly why... maybe the smell or that je ne sais quoi
funny
Maybe it's Domenech...the I hate parker but I don't know why club has a new member
I guess this is the same thing about the french, people don't like french but don't know exactly why... maybe the smell or that je ne sais quoi
funny
BTW did Parker really say he wouldn't sign an extension? That's a huge difference from Ginobili.
Some of these Tony Parker trade ideas are starting to scare the out of me. No offense to Phila, who was proactive and helped us kill at least one day with discussion over his trade scenarios, but when I start seeing Parker and Smith being debated as equals I start to get antsy.
I have been adamant about seeing what Tony is worth around the league. However, if trading him now doesn't bring back a #1 option, you don't do it. If RC just remains patient and can find a way to send Jefferson to NJ for a TE, the team will be much improved next year. Splitter, Anderson, a healthy Tony, TE (Morrow/Matthews/Korver), LLE, Hill/Blair/Gee/Temple one year more experienced. That's pretty good, considering that in the West the only real teams to fear are the Lakers and OKC.
The French have a directness in their speech that can be (and sometimes deservedly so) interpreted as arrogance. That is why when Tony says something similar to what Manu said last year before his extension, people get pissed off and make a lot of assumptions.the I hate parker but I don't know why club has a new member
I guess this is the same thing about the french, people don't like french but don't know exactly why... maybe the smell or that je ne sais quoi
funny
The difference is how they chose their words and the way they deliver the message. Manu came off as respectful and a little sad about his possible departure. Whereas, Tony sounds like he's saying, " you, Spurs! Thanks for the championships. I'm outta here!"
Of course, they are two very different people, personality wise. The part that I find most interesting is how these two players seem to polarize the fanbase. It's really fascinating.
I was against trading Parker but I do see some of the reasons why the Spurs might consider it. The problem with Hill is that as a PG he really is not good enough at ball distribution and play making. But the Spurs will have Ginobili who is kind of a de facto PG anyway. If parker is not going to stay in S.A. long term then the Spurs should look at a trade ONLY if they get a player of equal value in a spot they need.
This is something that has never made sense to me. No matter what he's done it's never been good enough for spurs fan.
The "Tony was wrong for marrying an actress/Tony's too Hollywood" Crew and the "Youth Movement" Crew are becoming caricatures of themselves.
my whole deal about parker is.. i know he's great and all.. and i have no qualms about keeping him and building around him and what not..
BUT
he's our best trade bait right now.. especially if we can get a player and/or pick of his caliber..
the nba is a business.. and you can't just sit around and do nothing because you like this person or that person.. it's not nba 2k10.. it's real life..
parker is a great player and he's been great for the spurs.. but he's not on duncan's or robinson's level.. the players at that level are on a "don't trade this player no matter what" status.. to me.. parker isn't.. the whole french thing and lacking that jumpshot is what seperates him from the chris pauls and deron williamses and steve nashes.. if parker was as impactful as them.. then i wouldnt be making this post at all..
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