Yes, there are secret elections. Sorry, Joe, you don't get to participate
Pulp Fiction was great. Will you ever admit that your opinion is not always the right one?The majority of people also love Pulp Fiction.
You going to dog on that one too?
seriously, when will you stop being dishonest to yourself and just admit that you were wrong in your logic?
Good, but you should direct your post to the other guy. He was the one bashing Twilight
I don't really think so, but I'm not so married to my own opinion that I think what I enjoy is the same as what is good. I can see quality in the things I don't enjoy, and vice versa, without it causing me any major consternation.
I do think that within the arts the question of quality becomes increasingly complex, for a number of reasons, but that there are still several measurable areas in which one can assess whether or not the filmmaker/artist/whatever was successful in what they meant to accomplish. The issue of quality can, with complete objectivity, be established, argued, debated, and so on. The issue of enjoyment is where it gets more subjective, but I think the two aspects are largely unrelated.
Those are elections I have no desire to participate in. For I am a man of the people.
And stop avoiding your obvious post.
Yes, it was great.
Woops, we now have a majority.
now, if someone comes in here saying Pulp Fiction sucks, the world, when asked if Pulp Fiction is a good film or a ty film, will go with our majority opinion.
Thanks for playing
Well, I understand your position but I don't agree. And yes, perhaps yours and my own opinion are so married to our own that we see things in our own way. And that is exactly as it should be. Just because one director thinks a certain shot should be done a certain way doesn't make it right. I would think that if you gave a script to several directors they are not going to all come with the same way to direct the movie. Why? Because they all have a different view of what they perceive as "quality" or enjoyability.
Now, granted some directors and movie makers have a proven record but even then their films are not liked by everyone and surely not by all critics.
Now I have heard some critics say, the directing and producing sucked but overall the movie was not bad. Or the directing and production was great but the movie sucked.
Are you talking to me, or about your analogy that Pacino giving the same acting performance over and over is the same as Tim Duncan giving the same performance over and over?
Nearly every major art movement has been started specifically to reject majority opinions, and most of them have been met with tremendous resistance and outrage. Impressionism, now one of the most well known (probably second to the Renaissance) and the most popular painting styles, was seen at its start as an insult to the art community as a whole.
...until eventually it became appreciated and popular (majority) and a legitimate work of art.
woops, there it is again.
Like reality TV?
It's a legitimate form of entertainment. The majority of people know it's not a masterpiece, but it's fun to watch (for them).
If, per your suggestion, people universally went with the majority consensus, something in the minority would have no possibility of ever gaining enough appreciation to jump sides.
Whoops, indeed.
Yeah but the majority is watching it, therefore it is a masterpiece.
More flawed logic on your part ....
you just lost a million points in my book. before this you were still in negative too.
you know a movie is good when it directly impacts the nation's psyche as a whole, and both movies did that.
Incorrect, you lack understanding of the topic
1) People choose what they like.
2) Once enough people have chosen what they like, word gets around, Vote rating sites, top 100 lists, whatever.
3) Now you know what the majority likes. It's made up of a lot of individual people with their own likes and dislikes.
4) If more people come, people die, or people are born, time passes, or people change their minds, then a new majority is formed.
you incorrectly assume majority dictates.
the people dictate the majority.
it's my personal opinion though, I realize the movie was an amazing achievement in some areas, like production quality, that trick where they use bedsheets as a ceiling, etc..
to ME, it was boring, but that's only cause of my personal taste. on a ton of lists, citizen kane is ranked near the top, so I know it's a great film.
but to me, it was boring and it sucked, even though i realize its just a personal thing.
I concur. Citizen Kane and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are excellent great films. How anyone can say those sucked is beyond me.
No Mr. Obvious!!!
well, both of those films are widely loved and respected, so I know it's just me :P they didn't click with me personally, but I still respect them
I just don't personally like them, i was bored and i thought they sucked. I won't go and say that they don't deserve awards or anything
that's exactly the point I was trying to make before Joe Captain Obvious repeated it
CuckingFunt and mono won't admit that they just have a PERSONAL distaste for it
CF criticize pacino for not doing more films to show off the range of an actor that she wants. that's COMPLETELY a personal taste thing.
she won't admit it though. she says Pacino is overrated and he only has 5 good performances. the rest don't count because he was "the same"
+1 I concur. I am with you on this 100%.
+1 It is like that with me and Avatar. yeah, I get the whole great visual effects and the quality of making the film but the message and feeling of the movie is nothing new to me. A glorified and fancied up Dances With Wolves is what I felt. But that is just me.
If you're going to invent an argument for the purposes of trolling a thread and getting reactions, you should at the very least understand the logic of the argument you've invented.
Your presentation of this argument began with the suggestion that majority opinion was taken seriously specifically because it was the majority opinion; that consulting majority opinion is how one determines what is or is not good. Such a structure makes any deviation from established majority opinion impossible.
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