Congrats to the Netherlands!
Huh??? So much so that in their WC matchup Mexico lost to Uruguay by the minimum margin (1 - 0) ?
Doesn't make sense...
Uruguay >= Mexico...
As I said in another thread, they had the fortune of scoring first and held on to the lead... nothing more, nothing less...
Last edited by Phenomanul; 07-07-2010 at 10:44 AM.
I will say this... van Bommel is one of the dirtiest players in the entire compe ion... The guy got away with murder in almost every single game the dutch played...
Kind of disturbing that van Bommel was booked not for tackles, but for kicking the ball out of the field after he thought the game was already over...
That said, I want the Dutch to win over the winner of the Germany/Spain match...
In fact, I want to see a finals match that will feature a first time World Cup winner...
Here's to Holland vs. Spain...
B and C players like el "Loco" Abreu? The guy who got Uruguay into the World Cup to begin with?CROFL How in the world i could ever be butthurt on Soccer by Mexico?
Even on your league you have been importing our B anc C players that are better than the scrubs you try to develop from the youth categories lol
Ummmm yeah... ok...
Mexican 1st Division football may not be in the ranks of the European leagues (5 in particular: England, Spanish, Italian, German and Dutch)... but Mexican teams pay their star players very well...
If South Americans come to Mexico it's because they know the renumeration will be hefty... like most people in most professions; footballers follow the money...
agree.
germany. Although if they wipe the floor with Spain as I fear they might, they will deserve to win. They are ruthless.
also Arjen Robben is a damn flopper of Ronaldo levels! I don't know if I want him to win it all.
The desire to see Holland win it all is more of a legacy issue; one that will place previous Dutch shortcomings as subservient to the fact that they can now be considered champions even if previous greats never got there...
Johann Cruyf
Marco van Basten
Ruud Gullit
Dennis Bergkamp
Frank Reikjard
Clarence Seedorf
Phillip Cocu
Marc Overmars
etc...
Last time I checked Abreu is playing for Botafogo in Brasil when he scored those goals... and before that in Argentina...
CROFL had to pay for second tier stars to level up a league which teams can't produce quality for it and the NT... at least not good enough to win something outside of CONCACAF and lately being bare rape ed by Donovan and his crew
lol check my post above this one ^
CROFL Mexican butthurts
You're evading the point and you know it... Sebastian Abreu played over 7 seasons in Mexico's 1st Division Football League... While he was there, he earned a hefty check... or are you going to deny that as well?
Didn't Mexico beat Forlan's Uruguay as recently as the Copa America Tournament in 2007?? If memory serves correct the score was 6 to 0...CROFL had to pay for second tier stars to level up a league which teams can't produce quality for it and the NT... at least not good enough to win something outside of CONCACAF and lately being bare rape ed by Donovan and his crew
Mexico's problem isn't talent, or quality... it's team cohesion and mental for ude against adversity. Apparently, by your own admission even, Uruguay also suffers from the latter, as they too struggle to win matches once they've gone down on the scoreboard...
Simply be glad your team was able to make it as far as they did this time around... you don't need to denigrate Mexicans to build yourself up... that's a sign of weakness and arrogance.
FYI... the last two matches between Mexico and the US have resulted in Mexican victories... which is besides the point, because; I'm an avid supporter of U.S. Soccer... it's a win/win for me.
Classless, culturally racist, jerk.lol check my post above this one ^
CROFL Mexican butthurts
from those 7 seasons... how many times was he a starter on the NT? you're right... none... just in 2002 and im not sure he was there then...
lol 1-3 on a third place match
lol Mexican celebrating such feature
link to my own admission? otherwise is just another bogus post of yours from the bunch... and again Mexico's native talent pool IS SO INFERIOR to ours with 50 times bigger population that you shouldn't even try to make this an argument... Uruguay has been exporting players to the best teams in the world for 80 years and it's been no more than 5 since you have more than 3 players in the best leagues...
I didn't start the Mexican denigration buddy... go talk to your fellow countrymen before making such an idiotic statement... I just defended myselfso this is not personal, you took my comments out of context without reading the entire thread and dynamics of ALL THE ONES opened throughout the WC so chill...
lol Landon's Azteca Stadium
and yes Im a HUGE US Soccer fan myself so we have something in common there
So you insulting me makes YOU better than that?never claimed being the opposite BTW...
He began his Mexican career back in 2000...
But I'm 100% positive that Sebastián Abreu was a starter for the NT several years during his Mexican league stint... it's pretty embarrasing that I would have to correct you on the fact, not being a Uruguayan and all... let's not forget about Vicente Sanchez several years ago either...
The Mexican League has also featured two of the top goal scorers for the Paraguayan NT over the last 10 years (Salvador Cabañas and Suturnino Cardozo)...
Anyway, you can't claim that they only import B and C level talents...
I'm not "celebrating" anything... I'm simply stating that claims of Uruguay's alleged superiority, as based primarily on this year's WC performance is foolhardy.... (the right players are 'hot', and the team is playing well; most of us could see that)... But again, your attempts to overstate your team's level by debasing the footballing history of an entire country instead of pointing out the merits of your particular squad, are misguided and offensive...
No World Cup compe ion can accurately gauge the rank of a footballing nation simply by where they place in said tournament... matchups and luck factor into that placement as well... Why do you think I believe Mexico doomed itself by letting themselves be tied by South Africa and by not playing their best ball against Uruguay... They've been mentally handicapped against Argentina for a while and had very little chance of succeeding against them going in (even when they've fared pretty well against some of the other footballing giants over the past several years i.e. Brazil and Italy)...
Anyway YOU went out of your way to assert that Mexico couldn't beat Uruguay even if they wanted to (not in defense against any accusation against Uruguay)... whereas I believe Mexico is capable of beating Uruguay 5 times out of 10 (a concept which you seem to find offensive, even though it's supported by the scoreboard I showed you from as recently as 3 years ago)...
Mexico's footballing history is plagued with internal issues that factored into the lack of 'transfers'...link to my own admission?
otherwise is just another bogus post of yours from the bunch... and again Mexico's native talent pool IS SO INFERIOR to ours with 50 times bigger population that you shouldn't even try to make this an argument... Uruguay has been exporting players to the best teams in the world for 80 years and it's been no more than 5 since you have more than 3 players in the best leagues...the second goal was offside
Pentalty not called on the first half
1a) The Mexican league pays very well (only lagging in total $ behind the 4 major Euro leagues). Hence for many years Mexicans had little incentive to move out in search of brighter futures... complacency kills, especially when it's already profitable.
1b) For decades Mexican team owners outright refused to sublet their talent out to the European teams on loans... The players themselves had little say in the matter [it was literally a mafia stranglehold on their rights]... You are grossly mistaken if you believe that the recent upswing in transfers out of the country is due to an unprecedented or sudden surge in Mexico's overall talent... THIS IS DUE MOSTLY to stipulations that were handed down by the Federación Mexicana de Fútbol against the wishes of the team owners... This happened almost 10 years ago as part of an effort to develop national talent in Europe... If teams are contacted about the services of a particular player, the wishes of that player have to be taken into account.
2) Mexico's greatest player to date (Hugo Sanchez) had to suffer 2 years of continual humiliation at the hands of the Spanish media, his teammates and the Spanish people before he was finally given the chance to show he had elite talent.... those stories traveled back to Mexico and stiffled the desire for future players to even make the jump overseas... Futhermore, Hugol was almost playing for free, without much of a salary, during those two years given the ramifications of the (1b) effect above... 5 Pichichis and several cup les later and his legacy is still grossly underrated...
But yeah... I tried explaining this to Argentineans on this board a couple of years ago and they said I was full of $#i+.... as if they had any clue about the workings of a country they don't give a crap about...
Slowly but surely, that plan put into effect almost 10 years ago is panning out... for that matter Mexico has shown it belongs in the top 16 teams year in and year out... all Mexicans need to do is wait until that bunch from the Under-17 World Cup Championship Team in 2005 mature into more complete players by the time the next world cup rolls around... and hopefully Neri Castillo gets psychiatric help to prevent his footballing talent from going to waste due to such an explosive temperament....
With statements such as "Mexico's native talent pool IS SO INFERIOR to ours" your rebuttal is kind of hard to believe... fact is, you've made several such comments, not half of which were defensive....I didn't start the Mexican denigration buddy... go talk to your fellow countrymen before making such an idiotic statement... I just defended myself
Exibit: 25
Not enough for me to ignore your continual debasing of my race. Oddly enough, it's based entirely on the faux premise that footballing talent has anything to do with our value as people...and yes Im a HUGE US Soccer fan myself so we have something in common there
Stop bashing Mexicans then... address their footballing points on the merits/lack of merits therein... but leave our race out of it.So you insulting me makes YOU better than that?
And in case you don't know what I'm referencing... your generalized statements such as "LOL Mexican butthurts" is racist... Call out the poster, or whatever, but leave our nationality out of it...
Last edited by Phenomanul; 07-07-2010 at 11:07 PM.
Sebastian Abreu was never an undisputed starter for Uruguay. He is more of a luck charm scorer than a big time talent. Get over it he was never top notch talent for us. But to your credit, he has been good enough to prove his credentials as one of the all time NT scorer we all love him but stating that he is a superior talent from our talent pool is a nonsense.
Paraguay plays great D and then counter attacks... so both Cardozo and Cabañas being stars there it's B Uruguayan talent. If you would have stated that Da Silva played almost his entire career there I would have no argument he is a stud and one of my favorite defenders world wide and he STILL plays in Mexico
lol not even Argentina nor Brasil have a shot to be considered the best Football blooded nations if you make an average of players in the best league sin the world by population so don't feel underrated thereand for the rest of it, please check FIFA rankings... thanks in advance...
Understood though why the "victim" kinda feeling in your post? you don't think that we haven't had our own share of problems like this with supposedly golden generation of UY'an players left us out of three WC's in the last 20 yearsor you truly think that Ecuador and Paraguay had better teams on paper? just NOW Uruguayan players left their ego's aside but that's an argument for another thread...
Hugo Sanchez was one of the most bad ass forwards ever I agree that he has always been underrated
Go back to the post where i claim that based on players on the best leagues / country population not even Argentina or Brasil get closer... just accept it
I never said "Chicano" neither "Mojado" so how would I respectfully call a Mexican without saying Mexican?n
You're funny
Let me see if I can make this any clearer... 'cause apparently the concept kepts flying right past you.
If you attach a derrogatory adjective in front of the word Mexicans... you are bashing them by essenstially uttering a culturally offensive remark.
To date I haven't done that with the other nationalities... (RESPECT)...
If however, I did have anything negative to say regarding a specific group of people that shared a common nationality I try and make the comment specific to that particular group so that the extent of that criticism is confined to that group and only that group (i.e. the statement "flopping Argentinean NT players", doesn't apply to all Argentineans (even though it may upset them to read it
and LOL at your implied assertion that playing in Europe automatically means the player has A-Level talent...
While in their primes in the Mexican football League both Cardozo and Cabañas were considered A-Level talent (Cabañas sans a lodged-bullet in his head would likely still be considered as such)....
Great way to show respect
Thanks for letting us know... we're all different...If however, I did have anything negative to say regarding a specific group of people that shared a common nationality I try and make the comment specific to that particular group so that the extent of that criticism is confined to that group and only that group (i.e. the statement "flopping Argentinean NT players", doesn't apply to all Argentineans (even though it may upset them to read it
Cardozo and Cabañas never got to play on A list level clubs in europe where the A list players play... they were top sharks on the 5th best league in the world... that's B talent the way I see things... but again.. that's MY interpretation that not necessarily you have to agree with
What else do you want me to say after your continual denial of any wrongdoing?Great way to show respect
At least now I know you're not acting out of deliberate spite towards Mexicans... it seems some of your comments are outright oblivious to that sentiment...
Not at the expense of cultural insensitivity... especially given the history of your country towards members of non-white races...
Thanks for letting us know... we're all different...
See, that's where your frame of reference is wrong... there isn't some magical episode that transforms players into A-Level talents the moment they play for a European club...Cardozo and Cabañas never got to play on A list level clubs in europe where the A list players play... they were top sharks on the 5th best league in the world... that's B talent the way I see things... but again.. that's MY interpretation that not necessarily you have to agree with
Hugo Sanchez was an A-Level talent years before actually playing in Europe....
Cardozo and Cabañas are as good or better than Luis Suarez (obviously you will wholeheartedly disagree), and if they stayed in Mexico is because they chose to do so, not because they weren't good enough to play in Europe...
Several Spanish clubs wanted to pull Cabañas away from FC América... except that the club is owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world (Mr. Carlos Slim) and paid Salvador handsomely for his services...
Conversely, you can't honestly believe that all players from the 5 major European leagues are A-Level talents...
LOL Phenomanul
Suarez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any of those players
You're biased, I understand.... I don't blame you.LOL Phenomanul
Suarez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any of those players
But your use of 22 arrows in the comparison of those players largely describes what I've been stating all along... you overestimate all things Uruguayan...
To each their own...
hahahahaha u mad?You're biased, I understand.... I don't blame you.
But your use of 22 arrows in the comparison of those players largely describes what I've been stating all along... you overestimate all things Uruguayan...
To each their own...
4 rings es!!!
Back to celebrating the 30's I see... oh and I change my mind... Suarez is not even half the player Cardozo was....hahahahaha u mad?
4 rings es!!!
Last edited by Phenomanul; 07-08-2010 at 10:56 PM.
the squid chose germany!
its hillarious to see the live broadcast.
so stupid!
the squid chose germany!
its hillarious to see the live broadcast.
so stupid!
video link? :hungry
You're owning yourself pretty badly and so embarrassing with this statement that it's not even worth rebating my friend... good try though
Keep deluding yourself that all things Uruguayan must be better... typical arrogance (of course, you're going to deny the prevalence of such at udes in your arguments - frankly I'm tired of it)...You're owning yourself pretty badly and so embarrassing with this statement that it's not even worth rebating my friend... good try though
Cardozo's Paraguayan team owned Uruguay during the last decade... Something which would be pretty difficult to accomplish if he was only a "B-Level" talent having to play against Uruguayan squads "full of A-Level" talents...
Didn't Paraguay almost leave Uruguay out of the 2002 WC? In fact, Cardozo was the CONMEBOL footballer of the year that year... Then in a WC qualifying game for the 2006 WC he scored a hat-trick against your supposedly "superior" Uruguayan team (final score 4 - 1)... actually leaving Uruguay out of the 2006 edition of the tournament...
Cardozo is Paraguay's all-time leading scorer for his National Team... by his own admission and like I've been trying to tell you, he refused on many occasions to go to La Liga in Spain because he would rather not deal with racial issues, and Spanish arrogance.... As for the other Euro leagues, he mentions that he didn't want to deal with language issues... so he stayed on this side of the Atlantic... Watch "La Hazaña: José Saturnino Cardozo"...
Cardozo led Paraguay to a 2nd place finish at the Athens Olympics... and is one of the more accomplished South American players of the last decade...
But of course, in your mind, he's not in the same league as your beloved players...
José Saturnino Cardozo = Diego Forlan >>> Salvador Cabañas = Luis Suarez...
Don't get me wrong, I believe Suarez is an amazing, talented football player... What I don't buy is your incessant attempt to belittle other footballers for the sake of agrandizing your fellow countrymen... as well as your "catch all/end all" premise that players cannot be considered A-Level talents if they don't play in the European big Leagues.... can you say HOMER?
Then there's the matter of Sebastian Abreu... how can you belittle your own player just for the sake of 'prevailing' in this stupid argument??? If you literally consider Forlan a footballing god, and if Abreu scored 30 goals in 59 NT appearances vs. Forlan's 28 goals in 68 appearances... wouldn't that make Abreu equally important to the success of the NT? MORE goals in less matches...and one highly important goal that allowed the Uruguayan team to classify to South Africa 2010 in the first place... yet by your own admission, he's a B-Level talent because he never made the jump to European Big Leagues... that's a stupid argument.
Oh BTW, in 18 matches against Mexico's National Team Uruguay has won 4 times, drawn 7, and lost 7 matches... with a goal differential of -4.... I'm pretty sure the majority of those matches were played well before the recent influx of Mexican players into Europe... so again, your premise is rather faulty... especially since you gloated about the fact that your country has been exporting players to Europe for over 80 years.... and furthermore, that this was the ultimate measure of your your player's alleged superiority...
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