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Wherever Jefferson goes he will do better than he did with the spurs. The spurs did not use him right.
West is just trade bait. Whoever owns his contract at the beginning of August will payoff that 500K and let him go.
Wherever Jefferson goes he will do better than he did with the spurs. The spurs did not use him right.
If they would've used him "right," they would've wound up in the lottery (which I suppose is what you wanted all along, eh?).
Dont get the connection with what it has to do with making the lottery.
If Jefferson goes to Miami look for a rebound year for him.
It's true that the Spurs didn't play to RJ's strengths, hence the 6-8 weeks into the season it took for RJ and Parker to get together to run a lob play for him.
But it's not like he was hustling his ass off and giving 100% effort on defense either. Spurs counted on him to play defense, and he couldn't or wouldn't. Spurs counted on him to be the 4th scorer but found they had a better option in Hill.
Because if they tailored their offense to suit RJ, they'd suck.
If RJ isn't in an up-tempo system, there's nothing he excels at that really makes a team better. So he's either going to be in a system where he can play a role like he did in NJ off of 2 stars and have success, have individual success and a miserable team like the Bucks, or he's going to look like crap in a structured offense where his best assets aren't able to be shown and the considerable holes in his game are.
We have a connection!(damn, addictive emoticons)
Not going to happen.
Thats your connection not mine. The spurs still could have made the playoffs and better utilized Jefferson. The spurs still would make the playoffs by loosening up the structured offense and getting out and running more when opportunities present themselves.Because if they tailored their offense to suit RJ, they'd suck.
If RJ isn't in an up-tempo system, there's nothing he excels at that really makes a team better. So he's either going to be in a system where he can play a role like he did in NJ off of 2 stars and have success, have individual success and a miserable team like the Bucks, or he's going to look like crap in a structured offense where his best assets aren't able to be shown and the considerable holes in his game are.
We have a connection!
Problem is Pop tries to put players into roles that previous players had and that does not work out well when the new players have different skill sets.
pop does not adjust to his rosters strenghts.
If no LeBron, then RJ makes a lot of sense for the Heat. If they have enough for a LeBron max deal, then they have enough to make an offer above MLE to RJ and either another shooter (i.e. Mike Miller) or a PG (i.e. Farmar, Felton).
They will not use Jefferson primarily as a spot up shooter. They will run more than the spurs.
Doesn't the UFA, someone like RJ, have to agree to a S&T?
Probably unlikely now..
even with or without Lebron it appears Miami would rather have Mike Miller over RJ.
It says as much in the article linked from RealGM (Miami Herald) on the first page. Mentions RJ as a possibility, but it said their primary target was Miller.
How can you better utilize a player that doesn't fit?
Do you think Parker can turn into Kidd?
Should the Spurs ditch the system that allows them to rack up 50-win seasons with minimal talent or the ability to sustain injury?
Should Pop instead of yelling 90% of the time at his team to run go get his 6-shooter and shoot at their feet to get them to "dance"?
Should the Spurs go to solely a Princeton offense in the halfcourt, use Tim as nothing more than a high-post facilitator to open up the middle so RJ can thrive?
Should they just allow RJ to get up 20 shots a game so he can find a rhythm and become that shooter he was for one year in Milwaukee?
Or maybe they can just abandon their offensive a defensive systems for stretches of the game to create more possessions and opportunities to score, even if the opposition will have more and much better opportunities?
The Spurs are built with a particular personnel, with a particular system and have won with such for years on end doing so.
RJ doesn't fit into that. You can rationalize all you want and say that the Spurs could've found some ways to make him look better, but it never would have been good enough and the only way he'd look like a guy deserving anywhere near what he was getting paid, would be to go the way of the Bucks.
It's science.
I agree with your overall point Blackjack but I would argue that the Spurs players we have no longer fit the blueprint that well anymore. Bonner isn't Horry. Centerpiece isn't Bowen. Hill doesn't have a true iden y. The model is still there but most of the players, including RJ, don't fit that well. Given that, we have an uneasy balance between approach and personnel. I don't think playing to RJ is the way to go, but I could see how opening up the offense could help some. He did play better D when he was involved on offense.
For those who want to sign him for a long contract that problem isn't going away. I'd rather let him walk than give him more than two years.
RJ to miami?
i thought miami was trying to get better..
Yeah, this thread is definitely OBE.
Well, yeah, they've lost key personnel that has hindered their ability to play the system that's won them championships. But they've still got enough of it there and the same philosophy to put together a 50-win season in what was their worst year in a decade.
The team is ill-fitted with the likes of RJ, any kind of reliance on Bonner and without the legitimate size defensively to protect the rim or guard out on the wing. There's no denying that.
But RJ is never going to thrive as long as Parker's at the point and the Spurs are the Spurs. There may be more than one way to skin a cat but they really don't have the time to reinvent the wheel with Tim and Manu's age.
There's really only one way for the Spurs to get it done at this point. They may be able to tweak certain things and aspects to fit better personnel, but tweaking it significantly for the likes of RJ who brings no real asset to the team that affects the bottom line -- winning --and their just pissing in the wind.
RJ's not worthless or not a good player, he just happens to look that way if he's not in the perfect system. His and a team's success can only coincide in the right system surrounded by the right players.
The Spurs ain't it.
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Hopefully Michael Jordan doesn't tear Beasley a new asshole ala Kwame Brown:
Although Brown, the promising center who the Wizards picked first in the 2001 NBA draft, wasn't the only target of Jordan's DC disses, he may have been Jordan's worst victim. Sports Illustrated reported that "Jordan ritually reduced Brown to tears in front of the team."
By most reports, Kwame wasn't the only one who breathed a heavy sigh of relief when Jordan announced his third or fourth retirement last season. If you didn't play hoops MJ's way, it was the bench -- or the trading block -- for you.
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Wade, Lebron, RJ, Bosh, Shaq.
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Last edited by Cane; 07-08-2010 at 10:58 PM.
damn for just a 2nd round pick
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