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  1. #76
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    2 rings because Jordan got bored
    Yeah, because 2 years off didn't spare him the wear and tear of the NBA season and didn't allow him to recover for those next 3 les...

    Jordan would have broken down years sooner had he stayed straight though...

  2. #77
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    As someone else said, for a guy his size and with his numbers 10/10/2 that's about what you'd expect, maybe 1-3 more than what you'd expect at best.

    In the era 15 years ago of great centers this guy wouldn't have gotten , but nowadays...

  3. #78
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    I know it isn't an apples to apples comparison, but Gooden produces reliably. He is a LOT like Corliss Williamson. Haywood has shown some good things in Dallas... But I question his health...

    You brought up Gooden, not I.

    Amir was a valid point though. The Foul Machine is gettin' paid...
    Dude, Haywood is statistically one of the best defensive center in the league. Gooden plays no defense, get lost during rotations etc.

  4. #79
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    Yeah, because 2 years off didn't spare him the wear and tear of the NBA season and didn't allow him to recover for those next 3 les...

    Jordan would have broken down years sooner had he stayed straight though...
    Hard to imagine when watching him play with the Wizards. He was 40 and was still capable of putting up 50 points, and almost did it back to back. He was a pretty durable guy.

  5. #80
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    Hard to imagine when watching him play with the Wizards. He was 40 and was still capable of putting up 50 points, and almost did it back to back. He was a pretty durable guy.
    Well, he again seemed to benefit from the off time, along with keeping in shape during those 2 stints retired... However, he did break down, IIRC, in BOTH seasons as a Wiz, causing them to miss the playoffs...

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    Well, he again seemed to benefit from the off time, along with keeping in shape during those 2 stints retired... However, he did break down, IIRC, in BOTH seasons as a Wiz, causing them to miss the playoffs...
    No, the years off hurt him his first season because his body wasn't ready for 82 game season. By the second season he was doing a lot better, and played all 82 games.

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    Dude, Haywood is statistically one of the best defensive center in the league. Gooden plays no defense, get lost during rotations etc.
    Fair points. Gooden is a defensive liability, hence the Corliss Williamson (or Rodney Rodgers) comparison. But I think those talents can be properly utilized... Haywood has a minimal offensive game at best, and again, is seemingly injury prone...

  8. #83
    I am not redwood DJ Mbenga's Avatar
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    this seems like another dampier contract

  9. #84
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    No, the years off hurt him his first season because his body wasn't ready for 82 game season. By the second season he was doing a lot better, and played all 82 games.
    Hmm... Are you sure there wasn't a sore knee involved the 2nd season?

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    I'm not disagreeing, just curious: So if a guy misses say an average of seven games a season, and one entire season, that makes him injury prone?

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    Hmm... Are you sure there wasn't a sore knee involved the 2nd season?
    His knees weren't perfect, but he still averaged 37 minutes and put up 20 a game, at 40 years old. When he was done he'd ice the out of them, but so does Timmy.

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    In fairness, Haywood's teams never had a proper playoff run. I suppose I should reserve judgement until then...

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    This had to be done...Mavs will be over the cap for enternity so who cares. Much better option than giving JO the full MLE and calling him our starting center

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    Good pickup as long as Carlisle doesn't with him.

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    That 13 game winning streak after the trade where Damp was out, Haywood was beasting. Ever since Damp came back and the whole "be ready" at ude Carlisle brought to Haywood, he was unmotivated and pissed that erica started over him.

    Anyone remember the first 2 months of the season contract Damp who was a beast

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    lol double post

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    That 13 game winning streak after the trade where Damp was out, Haywood was beasting. Ever since Damp came back and the whole "be ready" at ude Carlisle brought to Haywood, he was unmotivated and pissed that erica started over him.

    Anyone remember the first 2 months of the season contract Damp who was a beast
    Well, this is why I have no faith in Haywood. Haywood was tearing it up for the Mavs, and was seemingly the reason for their success. HOWEVER, I think he got hurt BECAUSE he was the only option at Center and he overexerted himself. That is what scared me about him. I've seen that before with the Pistons (Rasheed, Will Bynum and Tayshaun come to mind).

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    I believe in yesterday Zelophehad's Avatar
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    I agree with Mavdynasty. Haywood has a long history of not dealing well with compe ion going back to his days getting into fistfights in practice with Etan Thomas in Washington and ripping Thomas dreadlocks out of his scalp.

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    Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

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    Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.


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    I'm all out of bubble gum Crytek's Avatar
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    Reason: They have 6 inches over Nash and are able to walk without stumbling (sometimes).
    Remember, they paid Diop full MLE.

  22. #97
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    They got further with Damp without Nash than Nash did with Dallas OR Phoenix.

  23. #98
    I believe in yesterday Zelophehad's Avatar
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    Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.
    for the reminder. I'm sure no Mavs fans are aware of that fact.

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    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
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    Good pickup as long as Carlisle doesn't with him.
    With Damp's departure it shouldn't be a concern. They'll have to play him 33 minutes a night.

  25. #100
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    Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

    Not trying to rip on Nash at all, but it's not really fair to Cuban how you criticize him like he wouldn't give a 2 time MVP that contract when at the time Nash was a borderline All-star. At the time Phoenix giving him that deal was a head scratcher, revisionist history ignores this but tons of Suns fans at the time were saying, "Great, more Bryan Colangelo overpaying B-list talent to keep the Suns compe ive." No one knew it would turn out that well.

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