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There, I changed it for you, Hater.
Christ, act like somebody, gd it.
As if Lebron ever had a teammate of the level of Scottie Pippen.
There, I changed it for you, Hater.
Christ, act like somebody, gd it.
Jordan got Scottie Pippen after 3 years in the league. Jordan only had to wait 4-5 years for the Bulls to begin forming a solid team around him. Who's even close to that level of talent on the Cavs right now?
You keep saying he's going to be a sidekick. He's going to run point for the Heat, score 20-25 a game, and probably average double digit assists. Is Magic remembered as a role player because he had Kareem? This is ridiculous.2nd, the choice wasn't go be a role player in Miami and Wade's sidekick or stay in Cleveland. He could have gone to Chicago with a good supporting class and been the front line superstar to lead them but even the prospect of that was too much for him.
A role player who's going to average a near triple-double, unless the Heat are blowing people out and he gets reduced playing time.My point here is all the "King James" and "Chosen One" and even questioning if he could be the best player ever is all out the window. He's no longer a brand, he's a role player. He's Dwayne Wade's sidekick who wants Wade to lead him to a le.
He's more Robert Horry than Michael Jordan or even Kobe. There's nothing wrong with trying to be Robert Horry, but he just showed the world that he is a role player not one of the immortal greats of the game in the making.
Just keep hating. It's obvious that there's very little being brought to the table that's credible. When the Cavs finish with 23 wins, people will realize that probably not even Jordan could have won a le with that team. Kobe would have had them as a 7 or 8 seed, losing in the first round.
Do people understand the definition of a role player?..
Like Havoc said, Lebron is probably going to have the ball more than Wade does..he's going to run point more often, he's going to have a high usage %, he's going to shoot a lot, he's still going to get his rebound/assist numbers..why exactly would he become a role player?..
The media really does a number on these people..
Yes, Lebron James.
That's the thing, Lebron is running away from the pressure, Jordan absorbed it. Do you remember when Scottie folded under the pressure in the 94 playoffs and sat out that final play? He couldn't take the pressure that for years Jordan had absorbed, I thought Lebron was more like Jordan, but in reality he's more like Scottie.
[QUOTE=Whisky Dog;4488996]LMAO there was no more parity. There were the Lakers and Celtics and everybody else. MJ was on an island in Chicago for years, but did he go to LA to ride Magic's coat tails to a le because the pressure of "scoring 30 a night and shootingva high percentage" was too much for him.
I'm actually glad that after 7 years the world can now see Lebron for what he is - the most talented role player in the history of basketball.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt Brons talent. The boy is as gifted as they get but he is now a permanent resident of SecondfiddleVille and may even move over to the other subdivision at ThirdFiddleVille.
Let him win 3,4 or even 5 rings. They will never be "his". Trust me, it will matter at some point in his career. His inmaturity to not ride out the storm in Cleveland will haunt him when he hangs em up.
Only Lebron can be criticized for going to the best destination for winning les..
It is what it is...
LOL attempting to get Kobe back into the talks for "Best player in the league".
Not happening, sorry.
In 1990, Kareem retired, Celtics were done, the Bulls lost a close series to the Pistons
MJ knew he had a chance to win with the Bulls
It's not Bron either so where does that leave us?
Get a clue
When the Cavs win less than 25 games this year, it won't be LeBron?It's not Bron either so where does that leave us?
Get a clue
A player that can single-handedly make a 35 game swing for a team isn't the best player in the league?
Hating a player does not suddenly diminish his or her accomplishments, nor does throwing out random attacks in hopes of discrediting him to salvage your own MVPenis.
I don't do the best player stuff, Cry. I leave that to you children.
I do rings.
It's my religion
I would've respected him going anywhere but the Heat. LeBoo.
I don't hate Bron. Never once mentioned it. I understand you go for your best chance at getting some hardware and it may even be leaving your nest to accomplish it. I get that.
He has nothing to show for it. Nothing. The Cav teams he played with were not scrub teams. Not at all. These were 60+ win teams beating teams to include the Lakers and Celtics in the regular season. Did you forget that?
If after 7 years the Cavs didn't even smell the first round of playoffs I can understand Lebron whining about getting some help to get out of at least the first round but your talking about a guy who has already tasted some good success with that team. Success in the playoffs that other NBA teams haven't enjoyed in years. I am not saying the Cavs were on the verge but they weren't that far away either.
Bron is perhaps the best talent in basketball right now. You won't get an argument out of me regarding that, but to call him a "winner" right now is blasphemy and what he's done to Cleveland is shameful in my opinion.
The Miami trio is going to be a formidable team but funnier things have happened. The curse of Cleveland may follow Lebron to Miami.
Anyhow, I am not a huge Kobe guy either but it's Kobe's league right now until somebody takes it away.
The only reason the Cavs won 30+ games in any of the past 7 seasons is BECAUSE of LeBron.
How is it his fault that he didn't take a 25 win team and make them champions by himself?
Name the second best player he's played with in Cleveland. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
It's not the amount of points you score or stats you put up that make you a role player. It's your position on the team, in the league. Even when TP was averaging more points than Tim Duncan everyone knew that it was Duncan's team. He was the unquestioned leader, the superstar who led it all.Jordan got Scottie Pippen after 3 years in the league. Jordan only had to wait 4-5 years for the Bulls to begin forming a solid team around him. Who's even close to that level of talent on the Cavs right now?
You keep saying he's going to be a sidekick. He's going to run point for the Heat, score 20-25 a game, and probably average double digit assists. Is Magic remembered as a role player because he had Kareem? This is ridiculous.
A role player who's going to average a near triple-double, unless the Heat are blowing people out and he gets reduced playing time.
Just keep hating. It's obvious that there's very little being brought to the table that's credible. When the Cavs finish with 23 wins, people will realize that probably not even Jordan could have won a le with that team. Kobe would have had them as a 7 or 8 seed, losing in the first round.
It's the same here. Wade is the unquestioned leader. He's the one who led his team almost single handedly to a le when they were all but done. He's the one that stayed home, Lebron and Bosh went to ride HIS coattail.
I'm not saying Lebron isn't a great player or that he's making the wrong decision. All I'm saying is that this exposes what he truly is - a second banana. He's not the chosen one or the king, he's a second fiddle to a more dominant leader. He can't take the pressure that Jordan did and be the top dog. He had to run from it and go to Wade's home to follow Wade.
That's what I mean by role player. It isn't his stats, it's his status on the team. If he wins les now it will be as a complimentary player on Wade's team just like TP and Manu won les as complimentary players on Duncan's team.
The difference is neither TP or Manu are claiming to be the chosen ones or the greatest in the game and this "brand", and now Lebron shouldn't either.
They're likely around a .500 team. 38 to 45 wins or so. That is usually good enough for a playoff spot in the East.Huh. You're right. My bad. Tough to keep track of everything in the NBA since I got back from camping for 9 days about 36 hours ago.
Awesome. Then the Cavs are a 15-25 win team now.
Depending on whom they add in LeBron's place, could go as high as 50 wins. Varejao, Moon, Hickson, West, Williams, Parker, Jamison is not a bad place to start at all.
Keep setting that bar ridiculously low. This team will surprise people by not sucking.
I understand what your saying.
The only reason the Cavs won 30+ games in any of the past 7 seasons is BECAUSE of LeBron.
How is it his fault that he didn't take a 25 win team and make them champions by himself?
Name the second best player he's played with in Cleveland. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
All I am saying is that you don't get to 60+ seasons because you have ONE guy that can swing 35 point games. Something else is happening that allows that team to win consistently.
The only reason the Cavs won 30+ games in any of the past 7 seasons is BECAUSE of LeBron.
How is it his fault that he didn't take a 25 win team and make them champions by himself?
Why in the world should we take anything you say seriously? What next, will you tell us LeBron is ten feet tall and has heat ray vision?
Spot on.
Jordan would never be option two. Actually, he wouldn't ever be 1B even.
That's the problem. The last two seasons take that argument away from James. After making it to the 2007 NBA Finals, he's had good enough supporting casts the last two seasons to have the best regular season records both years. Sure, it was mostly due to LeBron, but if he had enough help to have the best record in the league two straight seasons, he loses the excuse that he doesn't have enough help to win a le.
LeBron quit against Boston. He stopped attacking the basket. He settled for long, lazy jumpers. Stopped staying involved in offense. He still put up stats, but it was pretty clear he stopped trying to win in that series I believe from game 4 on. He scored. He still grabbed some rebounds and assists. But it was clear as day that he had quit on his team and was no longer trying to win. You keep asking where the evidence is. If you watched that series, you wouldn't need to ask for evidence.
Perfect take ducks. Absolutely perfect.
Maybe not by numbers, but this is DWades team. He's the alpha dog by virtue of him being there the longest and actually winning a le for the city. The leader of the team doesn't always have to lead the team in scoring or any other stat. Reference guys like Nash, Duncan, etc...
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