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My argument is tongue in cheek and hypothetical, but I could apply every single argument used to justify gay marriage to justifying polygamy.
since nowadays so many "lifebringers" are also breadwinners, that argument falls pretty flat.
My argument is tongue in cheek and hypothetical, but I could apply every single argument used to justify gay marriage to justifying polygamy.
No, you can't.
My dominate viewpoint is that actual marriage recognition is based in religion. My practical financial viewpoint is that regardless of marital status, that the government can only recognize one spouse for the purpose of tax paid benefits.
History is what it was. I actually support the idea, but it is useless with equality. Women are now legally our equals when they choose to be, and welfare cases if they choose that as well. A man is not expected to take as many wives as he can afford, because society not only has less dirt poor men, but women can take care of themselves. Then if they don't, there are "tax payers!"Outlived its usefulness, huh? First point to custom and traditional mores in warning against it, then to abstract social utility to excuse the past's tolerance of the very same.
I fail to see how 3 people marrying each other hits my tax wallet.
Please expand on this practical financial viewpoint.
Primarily things like spousal social security. Just one example. One special perk that others don't is one too many.
Yes I can.
Nanny Nanny BooBoo!
Commendably strict. Good luck with that.
Good point. Haven't they always though?
If you guys have issues with polygamy and bestiality then let's talk when those actually become seriously considered for legalization. It has nothing to do with gay marriage, and the fact that those are always brought up when discussing gay marriage just shows you don't have a single good argument against it.
I have no issue with civil unions for gays. Ex. purchasing property together, right of survivorship, medical power of attorney, etc.
No issues at all there but thats as far as it goes.
Specific example:
I do not think two gay men should be allowed to adopt a child, especially a male. They might be consenting adults but the child isn't.
So I'm a bigot and a redneck according to the so called "progressives" in this forum.
I could give a what you think.
Actually I'm pretty sure that you more than anyone else on this entire site outside of maybe Koriwhat cares what others think.
But anyway, what is your reasoning for not wanting 2 men to adopt?
Huh? Polygamy already is illegal.
I have no problem with people choosing a gay lifestyle. It is a lifestyle choice they wanted to make. By it's very nature it is a lifestyle choice that precludes procreation/family.
Manny, I just can't wrap my head around someone believing it's right to turn over the raising of a 5 year old male child to 2 gay guys.
You can laugh at my parochial values but that just ain't right.
Why is it just not right?
Can you give a reason? I'm not laughing at anything, I'm asking you to explain your reasoning and you're dancing around it. Why can't you wrap your head around it? Do you feel males are incapable of raising children? Aren't you a father? Do you feel you did a bad job? Or do you feel that they would do a poor job because they are gay?
Just provide reasoning and we'll go from there. There has to be a reason you believe this. Lay it out.
My feeling on this is not logical and rational and I admit that.
I chose a conventional lifestyle and had children in the conventional way. I went through to normal pregnancy/childbirth.
I'm a relatively normal guy. I'm attracted to women. I had a daughter that I never even considered being sexually attracted to.
At the same time I see stepfathers in "conventional" relationships molesting their stepdaughters all the time. I even admit that there are "natural" fathers that molest their children. It's not a perfect world.
I just can't accept 2 guys that are attracted to males and have chosen an alternative lifestyle being allowed to adopt a young boy.
Sorry. I'm normally a pretty logical and rational guy but that one I just can't accept.
They may be the most wonderful guys in the world but they voluntarily chose that lifestyle. Life is full of choices. Adoption for gays shouldn't be one of them.
BTW, bash away. I'm probably gone for the night. At least a couple of hours.
So your whole argument is that adoptive gay parents will by definition be pedophiles and molest any male child they can get their degenerate hands on.
Cute.
who is arguing to legalize polygamy?
I don't see how spousal social security benefits would be paid any more than it is now with just two people.
It might get more complex, but that's it, unless you can explain further.
How many of your opinions are not based on logic? You think we should make laws and do things in non logical manner?
What do you consider a bigot, CC?
It sounds like the notion that ' sexuality is a deviant/sinful/gross/etc lifestyle' has been pounded into your head for so long that you can't get over it.
You're an idiot.
And yet, you want to base legislation on an illogical and irrational view? Why not just say "This is my view, and I PERSONALLY choose not to perform X action"? That would be more logically consistent.
After all, I don't think you're all for putting on a Klan hood and going to rallies on the weekend, are you? Does that mean you're against their right to do so?
You guys crack me up. Bunch of progressive suckers in a cyber daisy chain.
Conflicted, self-proclaimed normal guy dumb s like you crack me up.
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