National Debt

[spursncowboys]

Gov is never the option. Agreed. But better to deal with agencies and beurocracy than to send our young men off to die so old men can get richer.

Keep your eye on the ball.

who's getting rich? what does that have to do with anything on this topic? Show me a govt. that can successfully a. not go to war b. when going to war doesn't send the most healthy of their population. I rather have an 18 yr old than a 50 yr old next to me.

[Parker2112]

investing in alternatives would have been much better than lining bush/cheney/haliburton pockets by letting them use our countries military to conquer a foriegn nation and then getting govt contracts to rebuild and exploit the people and oil reserves.

We couldnt afford that war, we are broke and showing signs of collapse, and the oil money that was bought with blood is not coming back to our country's taxpayers...its going into the pockets of shareholders of oil and defense...those in the know who know that oil and defense pays big. it always has.

[spursncowboys]

investing in alternatives would have been much better than lining bush/cheney/haliburton pockets by letting them use our countries military to conquer a foriegn nation and then getting govt contracts to rebuild and exploit the people and oil reserves.

We couldnt afford that war, we are broke and showing signs of collapse, and the oil money that was bought with blood is not coming back to our country's taxpayers...its going into the pockets of shareholders of oil and defense...those in the know who know that oil and defense pays big. it always has.

the only ones on record of receiving funds personally from other govt's are CLinton, Carter and Gore.

[boutons_deux]

"receiving funds personally from other govt's are CLinton, Carter and Gore"

Compare those sums with the $Ts handed to the MIC war machine by neo-c*nt Repugs with the bogus, botched wars dumped on Magic Negro.

[Parker2112]

who's getting rich? what does that have to do with anything on this topic? Show me a govt. that can successfully a. not go to war b. when going to war doesn't send the most healthy of their population. I rather have an 18 yr old than a 50 yr old next to me.

War is about $. Think about this: for all the folks in the US who are making money in this down economy? Now let me give the answer: 1) Big Oil. they dropped 20 billion without batting an eye. that tells you about thier profits lately. 2) Defense industry. they are providing taxpayers with the baddest army on earth, getting fat gov contracts, and have been raking it in since the Iraq war kicked off.

Now think about this: for all the folks in the Bush admin, where were the ties to big business? Well, lets see...they had ties to oil and the big players in the middle east...they had ties to defense contractors in Haliburton....and they have generations of ties to the CIA, who provided the bogus info needed to raid Iraq's oil supply.

And the private businesses that they own stock in are raking in the dough still, even after they left office. I venture to say they mde hundreds of millions, they being the Bush family and Cheney, and Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz, etc

[spursncowboys]

"receiving funds personally from other govt's are CLinton, Carter and Gore"

Compare those sums with the $Ts handed to the MIC war machine by neo-c*nt Repugs with the bogus, botched wars dumped on Magic Negro.

The war that he wanted to quit, but now takes credit for winning. Or the war that he said we were losing but since he took over has gotten worse without any advancement? How much of those T went to Bush and Cheney? Who else would have done the things that these war machine companies, who employ more Americans, with health benefits, than all the eco-Nazi companies combined.

[Parker2112]

the only ones on record of receiving funds personally from other govt's are CLinton, Carter and Gore.

read the above post.

As an american citizen, if you are, you need to know how war works. when you see folks talking about going to war, ask them how much stock they own in defense corps. If they are invading middle eastern countries ask how much stock they own in oil corps. If they are railing on drill baby drill, ask if they own any controlling interests in domestic oil corps.

follow the $

[Parker2112]

"receiving funds personally from other govt's are CLinton, Carter and Gore"

Compare those sums with the $Ts handed to the MIC war machine by neo-c*nt Repugs with the bogus, botched wars dumped on Magic Negro.

lmao

[DarrinS]

read the above post.

As an american citizen, if you are, you need to know how war works. when you see folks talking about going to war, ask them how much stock they own in defense corps. If they are invading middle eastern countries ask how much stock they own in oil corps. If they are railing on drill baby drill, ask if they own any controlling interests in domestic oil corps.

follow the $

Millions of Americans probably own these stocks if they have a mutual fund.

Next.

[spursncowboys]

War is about $.Think about this: for all the folks in the US who are making money in this down economy? Now let me give the answer: 1) Big Oil. they dropped 20 billion without batting an eye. that tells you about thier profits lately. 2) Defense industry. they are providing taxpayers with the baddest army on earth, getting fat gov contracts, and have been raking it in since the Iraq war kicked off.

So then we have failed in every war we have been in. Keeping resources out of a world-wide cartel of communist countries is not a bad thing. Especially seeing the track record and the historical fact that economies do not grow with communism of any kind.

[Parker2112]

Millions of Americans probably own these stocks if they have a mutual fund.

Next.

please. Owning a measley few shares is not the same as the huge blocks of shares owned by the families who have been involved in Oil since the early 1900's. Like the Bush family.

How the can you compare the average stockholder with oil magnates and oil families who DINE WITH SAUDI PRINCES. Generations of Bush men have had business dealings with the most wealthy oil men in the world. Generations of Bush men have had ties at the highest levels of govt. And now, future generations of the Bush family are guaranteed to have shares coming in from the American move on Iraqs oil supply.

[spursncowboys]

read the above post.

As an american citizen, if you are, you need to know how war works. when you see folks talking about going to war, ask them how much stock they own in defense corps. If they are invading middle eastern countries ask how much stock they own in oil corps. If they are railing on drill baby drill, ask if they own any controlling interests in domestic oil corps.

follow the $

I supported both wars we are in and think we should do something they would consider an act of war with Iran. I am also for drilling from all over, from the Northern shores of Alaska to the coastlines of Massachusetts to the Rockies.

[Wild Cobra]

Was the whole ing country not misled by the corrupt intelligence community...one that Cheney and Wolfowitz had huge ties to?

I'm sorry if Nancy Pelosi mislead you. She was part of the band-wagon, and had full briefinsg.

If Congress did rely on some bogus misinformation by the CIA and Bush admin, then they aren't accountable.

But they didn't. they rely on information by merit, and just because some can be discredited does not mean all was wrong.

Besides, CONSERVATIVES ARENT CRYING OUT THAT DEM CONGRESS IS COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST. SO IF OBAMA IS TO BLAME NOW, BUSH WAS TO BLAME THEN. wear that , hypocrite.

LOL...

Why are you a broken record of liberal propaganda?

[spursncowboys]

please. Owning a measley few shares is not the same as the huge blocks of shares owned by the families who have been involved in Oil since the early 1900's. Like the Bush family.

How the can you compare the average stockholder with oil magnates and oil families who DINE WITH SAUDI PRINCES. Generations of Bush men have had business dealings with the most wealthy oil men in the world. Generations of Bush men have had ties at the highest levels of govt. And now, future generations of the Bush family are guaranteed to have shares coming in from the American move on Iraqs oil supply.

Are you for some successful families that pass their wealth on, or do you want to tax more than 40% of someone's wealth when they die, so as to redistribute wealth?

[Parker2112]

So then we have failed in every war we have been in. Keeping resources out of a world-wide cartel of communist countries is not a bad thing. Especially seeing the track record and the historical fact that economies do not grow with communism of any kind.

"Communists" are the old "terrorists." they are the boogeyman. they are something concocted to scare the sheep public enough so that sheep public runs crying to the war pigs to protect them. then the war profiteers jump in and profit.

War is the biggest wealth maker in the world. But its the suppliers and bankrollers who stand to make the money.

I used to be like you. When a vietnam vet told me one time "if you want to know why we are fighting, follow the money." I had to learn what that meant.

[Wild Cobra]

investing in alternatives would have been much better than lining bush/cheney/haliburton pockets by letting them use our countries military to conquer a foriegn nation and then getting govt contracts to rebuild and exploit the people and oil reserves.

We couldnt afford that war, we are broke and showing signs of collapse, and the oil money that was bought with blood is not coming back to our country's taxpayers...its going into the pockets of shareholders of oil and defense...those in the know who know that oil and defense pays big. it always has.

Do you have a clue how much money Halliburtion lost because of their war contracts?

[Wild Cobra]

We couldnt afford that war, we are broke and showing signs of collapse, and the oil money that was bought with blood is not coming back to our country's taxpayers...its going into the pockets of shareholders of oil and defense...those in the know who know that oil and defense pays big. it always has.

Bull . The economy wasn't robust, but was in no danger either. The economy don't go into the crapper until democrats took congress in the 2006 elections.

[Wild Cobra]

Parker, after reading the rest of your posts in this thread, I have concluded you are among the top 5 stupidest posters in SpursTalk that I have come across.

For that reason, I will probably ignore most your posts for now on.

[spursncowboys]

"Communists" are the old "terrorists." they are the boogeyman. they are something concocted to scare the sheep public enough so that sheep public runs crying to the war pigs to protect them. then the war profiteers jump in and profit.

War is the biggest wealth maker in the world. But its the suppliers and bankrollers who stand to make the money.

I used to be like you. When a vietnam vet told me one time "if you want to know why we are fighting, follow the money." I had to learn what that meant.

Yeah it was the money. It had nothing to do with it being the most strategic country to fight off communism. I don't think the hundreds of millions of people murdered by their own govt is boogeyman.
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

[Parker2112]

Bull . The economy wasn't robust, but was in no danger either. The economy don't go into the crapper until democrats took congress in the 2006 elections.

Bull . The war wasnt a one time expenditure, as you insuinate, and we are still paying for it at a time when we cant afford it.

[spursncowboys]

Parker, after reading the rest of your posts in this thread, I have concluded you are among the top 5 stupidest posters in SpursTalk that I have come across.

For that reason, I will probably ignore most your posts for now on.

[Parker2112]

Parker, after reading the rest of your posts in this thread, I have concluded you are among the top 5 stupidest posters in SpursTalk that I have come across.

For that reason, I will probably ignore most your posts for now on.

Whatever keeps you from getting yor ass handed to you...

[Parker2112]

Feel free to ignore the facts in that chart above as well. Feel free to ignore the facts entirely. This is the norm with conservatives...so it is understandable

[spursncowboys]

I bet you never got challenged in college with all these views.

[Parker2112]

I bet you never got challenged in college with all these views.

Law School either.