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tony for d fisher + ron artest
Isnt this what the mesageboard is designed for, so fans of the same team can discuss options for the team and talk about the direction the team may or may not be going in. If you dont want to read "this fantasy bull " then dont read it, no one's holding a gun to your head man. The offseason is the perfect time to discuss these kinds of things, seeing as how no one on our roster is actually playing basketball at the time. It would be different if we were in the middle of a playoff series and people were talking about trading parker. If TP's leaving anyway, as he seemed to express in an interview, i don't want this team to get nothing in return and then in a year or 2 when duncan and ginobili are gone we end up as the bottom feeders of the league. Once that happens the #1 draft pick wouldn't be quite as "miraculous"
tony for d fisher + ron artest
That's essentially what I said. I don't agree with your premise that Parker won't have trade value if the Spurs suck at the deadline. Even if TP is playing All-Star ball next year that doesn't mean the Spurs will be in contention. It will take more than Tony Parker to win.
So, Trade TP spurs fans, please THINK ABOUT THIS before you make stupid trade suggestions.
Trading TP will not happen unless we have given up on success this year.
This is the correct answer.
We either blow it up (mostly) at the trade deadline b/c we have no shot this playoffs, or we go for it and start over after TD leaves.
Then the spurs should have blown up this summer already. Too late, we signed manu. We still have TD for this year at least.
You want to have a chance to be successful in the future without giving up present success, which is not going to happen. We can't go for future prospects and let TD go out with a chance at another ring, however slight. It is either playoff chances or total rebuild.
The ownership and management has said go for it while TD is healthy, so wishing for them to trade TP makes no sense under that current philosophy, will never happen, and so deal with it.
And they are right. Even a small chance at a championship, you go for it now. We can rebuild forever, and be a marginal playoff team with any group of mediocre talent. But we have TD for a year or two left.
I really wish someone would tack at the top of the Spurs forum some basics regarding TP and the possibility of trading him, because it gets pretty bad having to see the same tired trade suggestions being brought up, with the same flaws and impossibilities.
Spurs fans who want us to trade TP should be asking TD to retire, and for Manu to be trade for draft picks, otherwise YOU FOOLS make NO SENSE.
pretty much.
parker for darko and sebastion telfair
i'm uncomfortable having to trade parker after giving ginobili such a long extension. it should have been the other way around. but what is done is done. if the spurs go half the season and it is painfully obvious this team is not good enough and parker refuses to sign an extension, here are my trade ideas:
parker + mcdyess + pick for iguodala and holiday/williams
sixes can insert turner in the SG spot and can immediately get the ball in his hands and start a la tyreke evans. right now, iguodala has that role and turner can be just a cheaper option. young will slide down to his more natural SF spot while parker, mcdyess, and brand round out the starting five. pretty good lineup.
spurs need a wing that's better than jefferson at defense. iguodala is that man. the spurs will have to pry either williams or holiday from the sixers because hill is not really a point guard. williams isn't either but close enough. i prefer holiday though.
parker for casspi and landry
kings will have cousins play the role of the scoring big. parker, as a scoring pg, is the perfect compliment to evans.
i don't know how this will improve the spurs immediately but i just like casspi. he's manu 2.0. i think the spurs will get a large trade exception back too. spurs will need to find another point guard with the trade exception or trade blair. a hill/ginobili/casspi/splitter/duncan lineup looks good with landry off the bench. would make the spurs a very versatile team with a great big rotation of landry/duncan/splitter/bonner (sigh). blair can be there too if not traded for a pg. also gives the spurs a very dynamic wing rotation of hill/ginobili/anderson/casspi. there will just be a glaring hole at pg.
parkers for harris + terrence williams + lee
having struck out on the FA, the nets' new owner doesn't want to be embarrassed. upgrading the PG will have to do until they go after melo next year. nets will probably be one of the main compe ors for parker next year anyway, might as well get something back.
harris is just a poor man's tony parker but spurs get back williams and lee who are solid wing defenders with the potential to be better. lee will contribute immediately by shooting 3's and playing defense. williams has higher potential. i like this trade idea the least.
Darko and Telfair are on two different teams, and . . . no.
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I don't think this is that great for us. Plus, the Sixers want to move Brand more than Iggy, so they probably don't make this deal. Also, would crowd our guard rotation and leave a hole in our frontline.
Leaves a hole at PG. Bonner = Casspi. Blair = Landry.
This makes the most sense, but Parker > Harris.
So u suggest we just let him walk at the end of the season then look for his replacement in the big ass point guard pool that's in the draft or FAs!?! Ooooo my bad, there isn't any! We're going to have the same dam problem if we trade his ass or if we don't. I guess we should delay it an get nuttin in return! Yea do that 1.
Is Lawson still with the Nuggets...?
Carmelo Anthony + Lawson for Parker + RJ...
I'd rather we kept Parker though, and could convince him to stay in SA...
That would be fantastic.. And we can pay them all max deals until they get tired of the money.
That would be something. We could have 3 max players just like the Heat.
what happens if we trade tp? I have not seen you suggest that the following is not true:
either 1) we get pieces that help NOW for a championship this final year (or so) that TD can help us get that, however slim the chances,
2) or we rebuild. There is no good way to do in between, without a franchise player developing, which we don't have.
So, if 1, we have to get two pieces back for tp that can help now. Why? Because no one is giving equal talent for TP. He is on the last year of his contract, so this is a rental unless he basically commits to signing with them, which is a longshot. If they want a salary dump, they are not giving us equal talent to TP.
So, we would settle for 2 above average players. Hopefully a pg, and probably a wing defender. Anything else is redundant with current parts, and requires further trades, which is a mess and unlikely to help goal 1.
I don't see this happening. It takes too much to happen just right, too soon. It needs to happen now so the pieces have time to integrate.
2) rebuild. Well, we should be trading TD, Manu, and RJ then for future draft picks, get as low in the draft as possible, and hope for a franchise player, because that is what it will take to rebuild properly. We have 4 young pieces assuming splitter signs: hill, blair, splitter, and MAYBE anderson (so really 3.5). That is enough to be the worst team in the west. With manu and td, we just miss the playoffs, and get a crappy lottery pick for a few years.
trading TP is likely to result in a no-mans land middle ground, where we have no chance to win, and we are not bad enough to get a very good pick. The
Now, you might say, but wait, if we get prospects, that is something.
Any team who trades us TP for prospects is a team that will make the playoffs. Their picks will suck.
Trading TP does nothing unless we are going full rebuild. That what you want?
you're trading 1 player for 3 players - of course you're going to lose value at the pg, but is it balanced by the holes that the other 2 players fill?
How good is the 2010/2011 team as currently constructed? Does TP's skill make up for all of the other holes we have? If not and you're fairly confident you're going to lose him anyway - why not make that trade early and try and get the other players acclimated as soon as possible.
If the FO thinks Tony's going to sign with us and we're going to let the Big 3 ride off in the sunset, so be it, but if the goal is to win another ring - I just can't see it being done as constructed. Tony's value is the only chance we have at upgrading our roster in other areas.
IF Parker is traded, it's going to be for high lottery talent from the last draft or two, or unprotected picks from bad teams, and it means the Spurs are blowing it up. They absolutely WILL NOT take back an overpaid stiff like Iguodala. That would only make the rebuilding process slower and less effective. Use the Sonics/Thunder as a model. They offloaded Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis in 2007, picked up some extra picks, crashed and burned, drafted high for three years and were back in the playoffs in 2010 as one of the best, most dynamic young teams in the league.
Are people forgetting how well the Spurs played with Parker being injured? He's the reason the team sucks. He refuses to pass to for some reason. I mean the dude rather shoot a half court shot than pass to . Fool just dribbles for 90 percent of the shot clock. He can't shoot, he doesn't pass, he had speed and now its almost gone. When Manu and are playing the Spurs Offense flows so much better. Trade him and the Spurs are a better team. No doubt about it. He is leaving next year anyways.
I am just really worried that Parker will walk away next year and we will be left with nothing but a few second rounders.
I really wish they would have pulled the trigger, if it ever really was on the table. New Jersey Nets #3 pick and Devin Harris > for Tony Parker. This would have solved the problem now and for the future for the next 10 years. Tony Parker is replaceable he is not a superstar. Derrick Favors, will be in the same calibre as Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Blake Griffen. We messed up if this deal ever existed.
They could tack this thread:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155526
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