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    This is assuming they stick to a three man rotation during the regular season, which no one, not even teams like the Nuggets who have only three competent bigs even do. Plus all the games that are blowouts would lower their minutes.

    Also, I don't think Jefferson and Haywood on the floor at the same time works against a lot of teams given they're both centers. Particularly uptempo ones. That said I would still take Jefferson and play Haywood only 15-20 minutes a game if it comes to that.
    Haywood's a 5, Jefferson can play the 4. If I'm Carlisle, I experiment with Dirk/Haywood, Dirk/Al, Al/Haywood plenty in November to see what works and what doesn't.

    Turning Damp into Jefferson is a major win. If we can pick up Corey Brewer in the process, even better. I'd rather have Chris Paul, but all indications are that the Hornets are not ready to part with him. They don't really have any incentive to move him until next summer if they can't get him to agree to an extension. I have a hard time thinking they'll make him available until then.

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    Turning Damp into Jefferson is a major win.
    This shouldn't have to be said. Yet for some reason its something our FO cant grasp.

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    nooo noo noo nooo

    el phat azz ally ghefferson wheel make eee suft egain


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    This shouldn't have to be said. Yet for some reason its something our FO cant grasp.
    I had no problem with them turning down Damp for Deng because SF is our most stacked position and I didn't want to help them clear cap space for the summer. Deng doesn't really help us because of the composition of our roster. He doesn't bring us anything we don't already have. But Jefferson fills a major need. When was the last time we had a back to the basket low-post scorer who can score efficiently? Have we ever?

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    Nope

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    Stein:

    Cavs have had talks with Wolves about Al Jefferson. Not serious at moment. Wolves want assets, not just salary dump

    Mavs' Jefferson talks have been more frequent but Wolves want draft picks WITH Dampier's cap-friendly contract. Mavs offering neither

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    Haywood's a 5, Jefferson can play the 4. If I'm Carlisle, I experiment with Dirk/Haywood, Dirk/Al, Al/Haywood plenty in November to see what works and what doesn't.

    Turning Damp into Jefferson is a major win. If we can pick up Corey Brewer in the process, even better. I'd rather have Chris Paul, but all indications are that the Hornets are not ready to part with him. They don't really have any incentive to move him until next summer if they can't get him to agree to an extension. I have a hard time thinking they'll make him available until then.
    I'm skeptical of Jefferson playing the four, I know he did earlier in his career with Boston. But he couldn't play the four against teams like GS who onlys plays one big and four wings, or OKC because he couldn't cover Green in transition (I know Green sucked in the playoffs but still has some ability), or Orlando with Rashard Lewis. Even guys like David West or Odom could give him problems in transition. He's coming off knee surgery and his build is more suited to center in today's NBA. Its the same thing I feel with SA trying to play two centers in Splitter and Duncan in today's NBA. Doesn't work unless one is really mobile/athletic like Gasol. In the old days I think teams would stay big and just pound the ball into the post and make teams match up to them.

    I'd take Jefferson in a second. I'm just certain that his coming will lead to significantly less minutes and more incidents/sulking from Haywood. Just providing a warning.

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    I'd take Jefferson in a second. I'm just certain that his coming will lead to significantly less minutes and more incidents/sulking from Haywood. Just providing a warning.
    As far as Haywood goes, there's still plenty of minutes for him here if Jefferson comes, and he just got PAID. He has an important role as the only one of those three guys that can protect the rim. If his pussy is still hurt, then you can deal him because big men are always in short supply and high demand.

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    Stein:

    Cavs have had talks with Wolves about Al Jefferson. Not serious at moment. Wolves want assets, not just salary dump

    Mavs' Jefferson talks have been more frequent but Wolves want draft picks WITH Dampier's cap-friendly contract. Mavs offering neither
    Son I want to punch Cuban and Donnie in the face...they don't want to give up Damp OR PICKS.....well what the do you want to give up.

    Send them Damp and a future #1 already

    Someone tell me where they are at so I can punch em


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    Matt Carroll (a long ago Spurs castoff) is making almost $4MM a year (for the next three years) to sit at the end of the Mavs bench and pull splinters out of his butt. Once again, money to burn.

    And the "Dust Chip" may turn into a "Cow Chip" and make Mike Fisher cry on his cheerleader outfit.

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    Use the Yankees-Lee-Rangers trade as a reference. If it comes down to the wire, then Mavs will jump in and pony up. Unless they've heard of something better coming along (which they haven't), then Al represents the big fish of the summer. And I'm fine with that. If Brewer can be wrangled, then all the better.

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    I'd be worried about the Jazz working something out for him, but then I remembered Jefferson is black. Nix that.

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    Mavs offering Marion, Stevenson, and Carroll is laughable for Jefferson....

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    Mavs need to rock a big lineup of:

    PG Kidd
    SG Butler
    SF Dirk
    PF Jefferson
    C Haywood
    that lineup would have to play zone all the time bc it couldnt guard anyone 1on1. mavs would need to bring in Jim Boeheim to teach the how to play the 2-3 matchup zone

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    Mavs offering Marion, Stevenson, and Carroll is laughable for Jefferson....
    Not necessarily. The Gasol trade proved you never know how stupid a GM is until you ask. Plus:




    Kidding aside, yes it is stupid. The only thing I can think of is they might be thinking that because Jefferson never played on a winning team his stats are somewhat bogus, or that his defense is worse than it is. From what I've read he's improved his effort on D the last few years. Turning odwn this trade and this hopeless pursuit of CP3 has me clinging to to the thought of Beaubois becoming Tiny Archibald next season.

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    id rather not guard anyone and at least be big and capable of rebounding, and at least have one shot blocking presence in the paint over any of the we saw last year or anything any re mav fan on this site has suggested. at least that lineup could score like crazy
    that makes no sense...play no D and expect to have a GS/PHX offense

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    Mavs need to rock a big lineup of:

    PG Kidd
    SG Butler
    SF Dirk
    PF Jefferson
    C Haywood
    Kidd can't guard quick point guards, Butler can't guard quick shooting guards, Dirk can't guard any small forwards, and Jefferson can't quick power forwards. That lineup would give up 65% fg so rebounds would be moot.

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    it's better than the kidd/beaubois/butler /dirk/jefferson lineup mav fan was nutting themselves about
    if mavs get Al the lineup should be

    PG Kidd
    SG Roddy
    SF Butler
    PF Dirk
    C Haywood

    Bench: Al, Marion, JET

    I think it is crucial for Butler to play SF to excel and bringing those 3 off the bench gives you offense and D

    If Haywood doesnt start I see him being a little about it and could ruin chemistry of the team. Im also hesistant to have Marion come off the bench bc he thinks he should play 48 min and score 20 points a night

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    Cuban is staring a great deal in the face and he doesn't even know it. He must be looking at those same broken proprietary advanced stats he talked about that told him Kidd was the second best player in the league, when evaluating Jefferson. Seriously, I would be pissed if the Mavs got Jefferson for nothing but Dampier's contract and some draft picks.

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    LOL at turning down AL for just the dream of having CP58

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    Mavs are concerned with Jefferson's health and his contract. They're willing to spend, but balking at the size of that particular player's contract.

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    Cuban is staring a great deal in the face and he doesn't even know it. He must be looking at those same broken proprietary advanced stats he talked about that told him Kidd was the second best player in the league, when evaluating Jefferson. Seriously, I would be pissed if the Mavs got Jefferson for nothing but Dampier's contract and some draft picks.
    Son no one cares if you'd be pissed....God bless


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    FWIW, Roddy is playing great on the SL...

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    Mavs are concerned with Jefferson's health and his contract. They're willing to spend, but balking at the size of that particular player's contract.
    They sure find odd times to pick their spots. They didn't worry about Marion's health. They didn't worry about Kidd's contract.

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    FWIW, Roddy is playing great on the SL...
    Trust me, us at the Dallas Mavericks FO are aware of this. Beaubois is poised to breakout as our 13th man this season

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