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Fine, then...
1. How do you know?
2. So what?
Unreal is thinking every 7 year old raised by two gay men is going to somehow know the ins and outs of anal sex.
So you're for psychologically testing every potential parent, to ensure that they won't possibly harm their child psychologically, correct?
Fine, then...
1. How do you know?
2. So what?
Unreal is thinking every 7 year old raised by two gay men is going to somehow know the ins and outs of anal sex.
Obviously you've decided.
Unreal is thinking that a 7 year old will be guarded from that certain thing, and why a specific number, a 7 year old will not stay 7 for eternity. I don't see how gay couples can produce positive male and female role models in a childs life.
Did you have one that is more stupid?
Link?
lol You said children are confused, but then you say they have to be old enough to understand sex in the first place. They are going to find out about sexuality sooner or later. Did finding out about gays confuse and damage you?
And you still have nothing but your insecure speculation to go on. Show us these hundreds of confused and damaged kids that were brought up by gays.
We're waiting.
Kids don't learn about sex and gender roles in one day, they will notice that theirs is different from society and the animal kingdom. They will wonder which one of their daddies had them in the womb. A kids education in sex will be learned daily without anyone's control to a certain extent.
Those studies are inconclusive, what those parents managed to do was to indoctrinate their viewpoint on those kids later on in life, they still grew up in much in worse confusion regarding sexuality. Nobody here thinks kids from gay parents are gonna rob a liqour store. The effect on kids from gay parents will come from a moral sense, something science can't measure.
1. You're a total complete idiot
2. I don't want a govt ban on gay adoption
3. You're argument is silly, enjoying entertainment and producing technology have nothing to do with arguments concerning nature or natural order, or reproductive sexuality.
4. You must understand that you're a complete fool.
Let me elaborate my oppinion further.
My argument saying that sexuality is perverse comes from it's role in nature or lack of it, and limiting to a small percentage in species, and the fact that it isn't beneficial heatlh wise, nor reproductively, but that isn't my sole reason. I fully recognize it as a phenomenae in nature, therefore i don't associate anything that shows up in nature or reality as inherently good or evil. Rape also occurs in nature, that's not an argument for or against the act of rape.
There are many things that are disgusting and loathesome in the natural world. We are humans and have the rational capabilities to determine what is good and what is not.
We didn't come to set an arbitrary age limit for sexual consent or set laws on pederasty according to science. We based it on our own values as a society. Both things occurred in the natural world and in human civilization.
So to try to use scientific polling and data to prove a moral argument is pointless.
its an american issue
this is the land of the free
what american group has the right or left or the bible ever stopped from gaining equal rights?
the poor?, women?, the disabled?, atheists?, minorities?
the bible and "science" was against a lot of
the "im moral, read the bible!" crowd always loses
i've yet to use a bible verse or appeal to God here. I argue that an adoption agency has the right to refuses adoption rights to whoever they see fit. I'm arguing on individual rights.
I've made several choices over the years as to whether or not I've felt comfortable acting on certain attractions or whether or not I've felt comfortable living a specific lifestyle publicly, certainly. Behavior is a choice.
Sexuality has nothing to do with behavior, though. Sexuality is rooted in attraction and desire, which is something that none of us can decide or control.
Whatever gets you through the night!
Whatever gets you through the night!
translation: if you are attractd to women it is ingrained in who you are..you don't choose it..why am I even trying you dumbass
You said, curious George (that's you), choose between Jimmy (a boy) and your gf (a girl) back in the day. You went with the chick. Thats making a choice. Goddamn you are ing dumb.
We now know you understand why the dude s the dog, he can't control himself but does the dude ing the dog affect you?
I'll ask again: how, specifically, and at what age did you consciously decide to whom you were attracted?Whatever gets you through the night!
I didn't know you asked me before. You are confused but we already knew that.
I think I was 14-15 when I relized I wanted to stick my in a girls . I wish I could be more specific but I really don't remember what girl or age or how I came up with such a tough decision. Turns out I am normal. I like the . Speaking of which, I am going to my wife now. Ask George his specifics. He was attracted to both at some point in his life. Night!
normal, thats awesome
whens the book coming out wife er?
So, then, it wasn't a choice. Thanks.
Also... 14 or 15? Bit of a late bloomer, were we?
I had a stay-at-home dad growing up who did most of the cooking and cleaning while my mom worked out of the house - do straight couples who defy the conventions of hetero-normative behavior also endanger their children of having "warped" ideas of gender roles? By your logic, any personal issues I have must be related to the fact that my dad is the one who taught me how to do laundry.
Do you think gender roles are just confined to house chores?
Isn't that about as logical as your idea that it is inappropriate for a child to be exposed to a parent doing things that don't abide by gender roles and convention? God forbid a kid sees his dad act like a "woman."
My dad had to take care of me at one point and was a stay at home dad, he did chores and cooked, nevertheless, he maintained his role as a father in spiritual and leadership direction. took me fishing, taught me about the world some and taught me how to fend for myself and how to treat my mother, her family, and women with respect. He may have done some house chores, but he still acted the part of a father. It would be a disgrace for a son to see his father act feminine, my mother was there to nurture and help me to become an organized and clean person.
Fathers have a role in rearing different from mothers. We wouldn't be here as a civilization if we didn't. Maybe a few can afford to have an unconventional, little to no upbringing, but it's not good for society. I however am not asking for the govt to step in, but to step out and let citizens make that judgement call.
Good thing my mother wasn't the one who taught me how to fish - I would be so screwed! Now if only my father had never nurtured me ...
Someone needs to pick up a psychology textbook. Sexuality at least has as much to do with nurture as it does nature; in fact, you won't find any evidence out there that implies nature means more, anywhere. Conversely, every bit of evidence will show you liberal-minded environments harbor liberal philosophies on sexuality.
some people are stupid about like this
i understand the bible but what i dont understand is how two guys raising a baby, getting married or making a sandwich together, affects you in ANY WAY. it seems to me like the very worst example of being a pompous chode
being antigay, its just a very obsessive quality
you go your way, ill go mine, carry on playa
I've never seen anybody use sarcasm as a discussion tactic, how clever.
It's funny how one's mind is so warped by the PC thought that they cannot logically conclude that gay parenting might confuse children's sexuality.
It's only when we have an honest study done do we get to find out the real truth. Now this study was only done with lesbian parenting, economic factors are not known, so we don't have a complete study. And there are some positives with Lesbian parenting, but to deny that they don't confuse gender roles is idiotic.
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Sociology: Study examines gender roles of children with gay parents
05/30/01
Researchers say children of gay parents more likely to depart from traditional gender roles, but democratic societies should welcome the difference
By Gilien Silsby
Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz argue that children with lesbian and gay parents are more likely to depart from traditional gender roles.
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Children born to and raised by sexuals tend to play, dress and behave differently than children reared in heterosexual households, a USC study on gay parenting has found.
But, researchers said, many of the differences are those that any democratic society should welcome.
In the paper, "How Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?" professors Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz argue that children with lesbian and gay parents are more likely to depart from traditional gender roles.
The researchers’ findings, published in the April edition of the American Sociological Review, were culled from an analysis of 21 studies dating back to 1980. Those past studies – which included only birth children, not adopted children – downplayed contrasts between children raised by sexuals and heterosexuals. The USC paper focused mainly on lesbian mothers and their offspring, because fewer studies of gay fathers exist.
"We found that despite the ‘no differences’ mantra, many studies do report evidence of some intriguing differences, and even of some potential advantages of lesbian parenthood," said Stacey, holder of the Streisand Professorship in Contemporary Gender Studies. "A difference is not necessarily a deficit."
Stacey and Biblarz found some evidence that children in gay households are more likely to buck stereotypical male-female behavior. For example, boys raised by lesbians appear to be less aggressive and more nurturing than boys raised in heterosexual families. Daughters of lesbians are more likely to aspire to become doctors, lawyers, engineers and astronauts.
In addition, heterosexual mothers tend to encourage sons to participate in historically "masculine" games and activities – such as Little League – and daughters in more "feminine" pursuits – such as ballet. In contrast, lesbian mothers had no such interest – their preferences for their children's play were gender neutral.
"Lesbian and gay parent families offer a unique opportunity to examine ways in which gender differences affect parenting practices and outcomes," said Biblarz, an associate professor of sociology. "We believe there are some very interesting issues of gender and sexuality that shouldn’t be ignored."
In two studies, a greater number of young adult children raised by lesbians had participated in or considered a same-sex relationship or had an attraction to the same sex. However, statistically, they were no more likely to identify themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual.
One area the researchers found no differences in was the mental health of children or their quality of relationship with parents. Children brought up by lesbians and gay men are well-adjusted, have good levels of self-esteem and are as likely to have high educational attainments as children raised in more traditional heterosexual families.
"Levels of anxiety, depression, self-esteem and other measures of social and psychological behaviors were generally similar," Biblarz said. "While all children probably get teased for one thing or another, children with gay parents may experience a higher degree of teasing and ridicule. It is impressive then that their psychological well-being and social adjustment does not significantly differ, on average, from that of children in comparable heterosexual-parent families. Exploring how lesbian and gay parent families help children cope with stigma could prove helpful to all kinds of families."
Lesbian co-parents typically are highly involved in raising the children. Lesbian social mothers (partners who did not give birth to the child) take on more responsibility – changing diapers, picking up children from day care and organizing play dates – than heterosexual fathers.
Lesbian couples tend to "be in greater harmony in terms of their parenting approaches," Stacey added.
Other high points of the study include:
o Teenage boys raised by lesbians are more sexually restrained, less aggressive and more nurturing then boys raised in heterosexual families.
o Adolescent and young adult girls raised by lesbian mothers appear to be more sexually adventurous and less chaste. Sons of lesbians display the opposite – boys are choosier in their relationships and tend to have sex at a later age than boys raised by heterosexuals.
o It is more common for both lesbian moms to be employed, to earn similar incomes and to cut back on their hours of paid work in order to nurture young children. Some research indicates that egalitarian parenting contributes to child well-being, Stacey said.
o Same-sex couples proved better at managing disagreements and anger than did comparable heterosexual married couples. Research suggests that parental conflict may be one of the most significant sources of difficulty for children, Stacey said.
"Studying how the numbers, genders and sexualities of parents interact to influence children could give us valuable information relevant to central questions in family theory," said Biblarz. "Researchers have been reluctant to investigate differences among children for fear that such evidence will be used to discriminate against gay families."
http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/6908.html
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