the Spurs are a good 3-point shooting SF away from contending next year. yeah.
Splitter is only a role player because the Spurs already have a starting center. The Mavs didn't have a starting center so your argument fails. Not much difference between Haywood and Splitter from what I've read. Haywood's a better rebounder and shot blocker and Splitter is more coordinated and better with the ball. And in two to three years Splitter will get some 9-11 million dollar contract that he doesn't really deserve like Haywood and Varejao.
Now its my turn to repeat myself. Please answer my question - do you believe the majority of NBA GMs would rather have Splitter or Haywood for the next five years?
You also chose to ignore my point that there will be different lineups that can be used to get Splitter about 25 minutes a night. You did acknowledge Splitter is more coordinated with better ball skills than BH.
BTW, Splitter will likely get a 4-5 year deal, not two or three. He came over here to get some financial security and two years does not get that done on a guaranteed deal - he is not restricted by the rookie salary cap. TS will get the mid level exception the Spurs have to offer.
Let me make a suggestion, go to the Spurs part of the site and read TimVPs recent takes on Splitter. You can educate yourself there with his BBall knowledge. Have a nice evening.
Frankly comparing him to Haywood is irrelevant, unless you're stuck on the fact that I'm a Mav fan. I only put the Haywood video in there to show that Splitter's youtube video which supposedly shows his athleticism is no more impressive than Haywood's.
I don't need to read some poster's summary. I can read the Draft Express profile and go by what I've seen there which labels him a below average rebounder who has a mediocre jump shot, and see that he averaged .8 bpg last year. He's supposedly a good post defender and has solid mobility for a center. Or I could go by what I've seen of him, or by what your GM said when he said he's another Varejao. On a side note, Splitter is stupid if he takes a five year deal. If he's smart he signs for two or three years because then he could get some team to give him a ridiculous 6 year $60-70 million dollar contract when that short term deal expires. Besides I don't know why you're so worked up, you got yourself a nice player, it's just a shame you already have an all-star center.
Maybe Pop will play them both together a lot. In that case, good luck with the two center lineup btw. Should work great in 2010.
Plus Blair really can't guard any athletic fours either, and he played almost exclusively as Duncan's backup last year iirc. So what does this do to his playing time? If Splitter is just replacing Blair that's almost a lateral move given how productive Blair was on a per minute basis.
Valid points ...Dunc & Dave ...
You are one of the real solid posters who post both here and in the main forum ...
I will try not toget in flame wars with trolls too often ...but I do find it fun at times.
I just wish more guys would take your at ude towards their team ...
Still won't answer my question, will you Zelowhatever? Why is answering my question so difficult for you? You popped off about Haywood, so I was trying to ask you a very simple question. I think your unwillingness to answer my question kind of answers it anyway.
I saw Splitter do a pretty good job against the USA Olympic team in 08. Being the League and Playoff MVP of the Spanish League this year is a harbinger for good things.
Splitter has been working off short term deals for years in Europe. He is able to sign a longer term guaranteed NBA deal for 4-5 years for more money now after being overseas three years after being drafted in the 1st rnd. That is the reason why he is coming over here now in the first place. To get $25-35MM guaranteed right now and not $6-8MM under the rookie wage scale. Besides, how can such a player with "below average rebounding skills and a mediocre jump shot" ever hope to command a $10MM a year contract in 2-3 years as you describe.
So you "....don't need to read some poster's summary." Well good for you! I'm officially "worked up" as you say with your snarky at ude.
TimVP is not "Some Poster". He started this very site many years ago and is someone just about everyone thinks highly of around here. I was trying to make a suggestion if you wanted some quality info about the Spurs in general and Splitter in particular and you start big timing me with your immense basketball a en. Watching You Tube and reading draft express (which probably has three year old info Splitter in all likelihood) is not the best way to get good information.
TimVP has forgotten more basketball then you'll ever know.
What question? Who would I rather have? Well that's just complete deflection, but if the contract was equal I'd rather have Haywood because I know what he can do in the NBA. Although like I said Splitter is a good player not bashing his ability but the issue is the Spurs already have a center. Plus they have Blair who really only played when Duncan was off the floor iirc. So now they have three centers, congrats.
Although Varejao is a better rebounder, defender, and is more mobile than Splitter but lest talented offensively. He's very comparable to Varejao. You know, like your GM said. Just read his Draft Express profile to see he's a below average rebounder and doesn't have a jumper.
Since you have no idea about my total knowledge of basketball this is just hyperbole and a lame attempt to get a rise out of me.
Anyways, to recap, Splitter is a nice player and good luck with the two center lineup in 2010.
Props to you too, killa. I've spent most of my time upstairs in the Spurs forum lately because of the Laker trolls going ape in the NBA Forum. You are one of the few Laker posters I can stand on the NBA Forum.
Zelo,
My question was simple, and you kind of answered it after the third attempt. Thank you!
You like Brendan Haywood better than Splitter right now as a player. That's OK. Haywood does have a long history in the NBA. The Mavericks really had no choice but to sign him, given the alternatives. Dallas just got Eric Dampier part two just before they could get out from under the other bad FA contract they gave a center this decade.
I'm pretty sure Tiago will do much better than 7.7 points and 6.4 for his career after nine or ten years in the league. He will get paid a little more than half of what Haywood gets over the next five years.
I am impressed you used the word hyperbole twice in a post. My comments are not meant to deflect anything, I'm just stating my opinion.
In my opinion, I am also still pretty comfortable in saying that the guy that went to the trouble of creating this web site many years ago and is very connected with the Spurs has more basketball knowledge than you or me. That is not to get a rise out of you. Just sayin'.
BTW Good luck with that 1/2 center lineup in 2010.
Of course, if you keep damp and pay him that $13M Cuban signed him up for, you just might have 1 center in 2 bodies. Have a great rest of the weekend and don't forget, three is better than 1/2, and four is better than zero. Good night.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 07-11-2010 at 12:25 AM.
Why the are all the racists like this guy not banned from here?
He's making a generalization about a white player (ie can't jump, unathletic, only black player in league owned his ass, etc). That's ok to do in the PC world we live in. Just don't make any generalizations involving a black player or you will have the PC police on your ass. Dem's da rules, got it?
Last edited by TJastal; 07-11-2010 at 03:17 AM.
It is not a coincidence that the NBA has a majority of black players. On the whole black players are superior in the NBA. Most of the stars of the league are black. Black players are generally more athletic. Splitter did not go up against many black players so he has not seen the quality of players he will see in the NBA. The highlights of him are not that impressive when you consider the players he was going up against.
If any non-Spur fan truly knew Spurs basketball, then they'd know that, positionally speaking... All there is are: lead guards, wings, and posts.
TP & Manu are of the 1st 2 positions. Their ability to interchange gives the team multiple options offensively.
When DRob was here, Tim & him would interchange just like Manu & TP do now. Having said that, As a rookie, I don't expect Tiago to do, what Dave did as a player, work as seamlessly with Tim. I do expect, however that he's a better option than any the Spurs have had in a long time since Dave. At 7 feet tall, there is no longer a penchant to lose critical rebounds. I await to see what he brings. Being the Spanish League MVP in 2010 carries a lot more weight than being the Spanish League MVP in 1990.
If Tiago comes anywhere close to where the last Spanish League MVP, Luis Scola, that is a marked improvement over anything the Spurs threw out on the court last year. Even if it was enough to send Dallas home as the first #2 seed to ever lose to a #7. Plus, Blair is getting his interchange license this summer. He was principally Tim's backup at Center. Now he's getting reps at PF. True Post Players. It's Spurs basketball and physicality has a place in this league.
Perception is a funny thing. Had Kendrick Perkins not blown out a knee, a slower, less athletic KG & him, might have beat the LAL. If that would of happened, many of you peeps would have ed that Pau had regressed into his former Pussy self and lamenting about which of Mr. Glass' lower legs would break next.
Perception... It's a funny thing.
The games have yet to be played. I can't wait!
Christ!
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