It's hard to hate Bonner because he seems like a real decent guy and, outside of the big three, he knows "the system" better than anyone. He also is a big effort guy, but he just does not have the physical tools to be good at either forward position. He also fails under pressure to do the ONE thing he is good at. I don't know if it's a confidence issue or what, but I can't justify his presence here, and especially with that contract.
it makes sense to me that Blair higher ranked than just 5th big.
following this, it doesn't make sense to pay the actual 5th big 3.2 or 4.9 M.
if it makes sense to you, to push Blair down to the 5th spot in the rotation (10-12 MPG), you have a point.
I just said I wouldnt have signed him? Hopefully that will be the 4 big rotation and Bonner getting spot miutes. If hes the 5th big it's ok that's all I'm saying.
Spurs had a better option in Ratliff (at min.), but they burned their bridges by being cheap and trading him away.
Even Tolliver is a better option than Bonner - cheaper, no commitment, upside, athletic and maybe some heart (we don't know about Tolliver but we do know about Bonner).
Can't believe that some prefer Bonner over Dice. How does one compare a vet with substantial contribution in the NBA Finals, a sweet, almost-automatic jump shot and who can guard Dirk as well as he can with Bonner?
Haislip sucked badly.
Why would any team pay that kind of money for that long for a 5th big? A 5th big should get vet. min as Ratliff did last year. And Ratliff is hungry for a ring unlike Bonner who is content with his ring and hoagies.
More or less than Mahinmi?
Again I agree, I would never have signed him to that deal. i would have signed him for the vet min. though.
Everyone said the same about Tolliver until G.S. picked him up and turned him into a serviceable player.
Haislip was a younger, more athletic version of Tolliver who hardly got enough minutes to even learn the plays before being written off as garbage.
More. Look at comparable minutes and numbers and metrics.
He was garbage. Tolliver did not get written off because he was garbage. The Spurs like a lot that Tolliver did. They liked Tolliver. But the one thing they really needed him to do, which was shoot the 3, he did poorly with the Spurs.
Haislip did nothing good.
No, no, no.
First of all, you can hate Bonner because he is raping our FO and he knows it. The rumors that other teams have contacted Bonner are all from Bonner's agent. I guarantee that no team other than the Spurs would have taken him for anything other than the vet minimum and I guarantee you that Bonner knew it. He is taking advantage of a desperate FO and doesn't have the decency to put a stop to it himself. If I were Bonner, I would be embarrassed to take that kind of money for being the Van Gogh of choke-artists. I would have considered becoming an instant Bonner fan if he tried to save Pop and RC from themselves by proactively offering to come back for the vet minimum. How does that piece of look himself in the mirror knowing that he gets paid more in a month than 99% of American households make in a year just to suck up and down the floor and be the most hated player on a team? you, Matt Bonner.
Second, what good is "knowing the system" if you can't ing execute it? Bonner may know where to be on the floor and where the pieces fit, but this isn't a goddamn written test. The dude is short on skill and you all know it. The only thing he is asked to do is be a spot-up shooter and even then I have a better looking stroke than he does. If that's not bad enough, he is a mental midget and fails to contribute anything in a meaningful game. (And no, showing a few sparks of life in Game 4 of the Suns series with the Spurs already down 3-0 does not count.)
The "system" collapses when he is on the floor because the other team can clamp down on the other four players and because he has the uncanny ability to suck the energy out of the other four guys. I'll keep saying it: Will someone with video-editing skills put together a montage of each time Bonner checked in against the Mavs and Suns? I guarantee what you'll see is 6 to 9 point swings in the other teams' favor every single time he does.
It's maddening that this is so obvious to Spurs fans but so hard for the FO to see. The Spurs have basically bought themselves a ~$3.5 million boat anchor.
10 games / 4 minutes per game is barely enough PT to learn the plays much less get into ANY sort of groove and comfort zone.
And for the record Haislip did show some ability to shoot the ball in the few games he played garbage minutes in.
Since it's a done deal with Bonner returning, I've come to terms with it. If you look at him as a 3 pt. shooter, which the Spurs need, rather than as a PF, which he really isn't, then it's not so bad. My biggest problem is that Bonner getting playing time blocks Blair from getting more minutes.
You don't pay a 5th big that gets only spot minutes 3-4 mil. Pop most likely has plans for him to be a large part of the rotation with that kind of contract.
Yep this will be most detrimental to Blair's development. But even worse than just cutting Blair's minutes only, I'm betting Pop will cut everyone's minutes across the board .. so the whole rotation will be a watered down pile of dog and out of sync all year long.
Exactly like what the Bogans' signing did with guard rotation last year.
What are you 12? Shut the up. Nobody forced the Spurs to give him that contract. The "Van Gogh of choke artists"? What does that even mean? You are essentially arguing with me by agreeing with me. I never said he could "execute" the system. I said he didn't have the physical tools to be effective.
I'm not defending Bonner at all. You got it all wrong. Don't quote me to post you pointless ramble. Go get some reading comprehension skills and come back when you are less re ed.
I was using your post to respond to the sentiment---expressed by several posters, including yourself---that an upside to Bonner is that he "knows the system." My response, "Who gives a ?"
Did I hurt your feelings by quoting your post to make my point? I'm sorry, baby. Want me to kiss it and make it better?
And in the playoffs, when it becomes obvious yet again that Bonner can't contribute, Blair and Splitter will not be as ready to contribute as they would have if they had had the 20-25 minutes that Bonner got all season long.
Pop won't be able to resist playing Bonner in the RS at that price. I wish that the Spurs had Finley instead of Bonner. At least he could hit a big 3 under pressure.
Hence the problem we're all having.
Mark my words, this signing will be the death knell of the spurs for 2011. Much like the Bogans' signing was the death knell of 2010.
Well it's not like it's the max we are paying them? It's too much yes, but I just laugh at that negative bull .
+1 x 100
4 years was 2 years too much...why would we outbid ourselves for bonner's services? ..Dumb move...Probably could have given him a 3 year $9 mil deal with a 3rd year team option...now bonner is the Spur that is signed for the longest....not happy with this signing & not happy that we are going to probably resign rj...Splitter (hopefully) is the only bright spot this summer.
Maybe Dice gets traded for a SF and then gets bought out to return to the Spurs.
Again, learn to read . . . where did I say it was an "upside" that he knows the system? My point was that his physical tools do NOT make up for the fact that he knows the system. I also said he does NOT deserve the contract.
Sweet baby Jesus, you are stupid.
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