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    We will pick up Rasual Butler is my feeling. He'll be the starting SF.
    imho that could be a very very good choice...

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    We will pick up Rasual Butler is my feeling. He'll be the starting SF.
    Do you truly think that Butler, after 2 good years, will only sign a LLE deal or is it just wishful thinking?

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    The LLE = useless exception.

    Even Dorell Wright gets a 3 years, 11 million contract. Which old vet wants the LLE?

    Johan mother in Petro got 3 years, 10 million, what the is wrong with this league.
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    Do you truly think that Butler, after 2 good years, will only sign a LLE deal or is it just wishful thinking?
    I also think the chances are really slim, so probably is only wishful thinking...however, this is a weird market...and hopefully we can still come back with some unexpected asset, like Butler could be.

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    please dont bring back the center piece

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    please dont bring back the center piece
    Why not? Matt and Richard are back. We all know how well they performed last post-season.

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    Do you truly think that Butler, after 2 good years, will only sign a LLE deal or is it just wishful thinking?
    It's not based on anything other than a hunch, Bruno, he just feels like a good fit and the kind of guy the Spurs often pull out of their magical box.

    If not, like you, I can see James Jones as the fallback.

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    please dont bring back the center piece

    Oh God, please no. Bogans is too damn short to be a small forward. Its funny to me that some people on these threads get all up in arms when they hear the words George Hill and Point Guard together, yet suggest Bogans is a small forward. Even Raja Bell, for all of his defensive attributes, is a shooting guard. Guys like Hairston and Gee are even more of a 2, than a 3 [though both are clearly a better option than the "center piece"]. Most legit 3's are at least 6'7, not below. After bringing back that idiot Bonner, Bogans would be an absolute nightmare. He's no Mason, but he'll never be half of Bowen.

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    I didn't know Haislip was not coming back. I thought he was here for one more year?

    Alonzo Gee and Malik are redundent I think. Both can play I think. I'm sure at least one of them will prove to be an NBA player. I wonder if they cut or trade one. If they do, I just hope it's the right one. The thing I think that might separate them is the shooting behind the arc. I think Hairston is supposed to be better. But I haven't seen enough of either to know how many different ways they can score. And I've seen enough to say Hairston's defense has very good potential. Don't know about Gee.

    Either way, we are talking about SG. If Hairston has the edge right now, can he start next to Tony and allow Manu to come off the bench?

    Or are both of them behind James Anderson at the end of this summer?

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    If either starts we can hand it up right now. These guys are 11th 12th men at this point. Gee has more upside than Hairston but much like Bonner Pops keeps holding out hope he will be a player.
    Yes, they were 11th and 12th last year.

    But I'm just looking at our options at SG. We don't want Manu to start all year long. Hill can't start with TP, too small. Who's left? Everyone wanted Finley, Bogans, and Mason gone. Well, Fin's gone. Bogans and Mason might very well be too. What does this mean?

    I think the Spurs are hoping one of these two guys or Anderson can prove to be capable enough to hit some jumpers and play some defense next to Tony. Not for 38 mins/night, just enough to keep Manu fresh for the playoffs.

    Unless they have an idea to bring in a vet min guy. Everyone is talking about the hole at SF, I see a bigger hole at SG personally. At least we know who starts and gets the bulk of the minutes at SF.

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    Why no Mike Miller for the Spurs?

    I know Cips and Heat offered $ to him ...

    But I think IF RJ is gone .. (doesnt re-sign for less $ more years)

    Who is better that is left?

    Spurs should offer at least what Heat did plus a more prominent role ...

    IN SA he could take the shots Mason bricks ... and a lineup of:

    PG: Parker
    SG: Manu
    SF Miller
    PF Spliiter
    C Duncan

    6th: Hill
    7th: Anderson
    8th Mcdyess

    That is a GOOD team ...

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    Why no Mike Miller for the Spurs?

    I know Cips and Heat offered $ to him ...

    But I think IF RJ is gone .. (doesnt re-sign for less $ more years)

    Who is better that is left?

    Spurs should offer at least what Heat did plus a more prominent role ...

    IN SA he could take the shots Mason bricks ... and a lineup of:
    With what money?

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    Sorry posted in another thread that Ididnt realize that you guys had NONE ...

    Thought RJ brought you guys under ...

    Also asked in the other one if he takes a significant cut for less years would you take RJ back?

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    Unless they man leaps forward this summer they will at best be 10th men. Dont get me wrong I like both.....really like Temple but look.....TP, Hill Manu, Anderson......Thats a deep rotation as Hill will play both 1 and 2 and should we not trade tp will start most likely at the 2. That leaves Manu comming off the bench with Anderson behind him....unless someone is injured or Anderson turns out to be a flop Temple and Gee wound see the floor much.
    Ok, so among the SG options, you think Anderson is the most likely to rise above the other two (Hairston and Gee)?

    I just DO NOT want to see Hill and Parker starting. I know everyone last year thought that would be a great idea, but I saw enough of that to know I don't want that as the permanent solution.

    This all reminds me of back when Antonio Daniels was trying to be our PG. When he wasn't a PG. But should not have been starting as the SG either. Luckily, a young skinny French kid named Parker came out of nowhere to defy all odds of Pop: starting as a rookie.

    If Anderson can do that? Don't need him to be great, just good enough to at least find his spots and knock down open jumpers and play good enough on defense to let Manu come off the bench. Exactly what Finley did a lot of times while he was here. I hope so anyway. I will be rooting for that, for sure.

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    So it is a do nothing off season except bringing in Splitter and the draft pick. Basically the same team as last year with upgrades at center and backup sg.

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    So it is a do nothing off season except bringing in Splitter and the draft pick. Basically the same team as last year with upgrades at center and backup sg.
    You don't think that is enough to avoid a sweep by a mid tier playoff team?

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    There's 195k left before Tax Threshold, I need like maybe 60k of that....

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    Why no Mike Miller for the Spurs?...IN SA he could take the shots Mason bricks ... and a lineup of...

    Matt Barnes should come cheaper.

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    it'd be cool if they surprised us all with a signing

    but even if they did it'd be a forgotten vet who'd underachieve in the season

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    The Suns have agreed to sign-and-trade with Atlanta for Josh Childress and will give him a five-year, $34 million contract, a source tells Y

    The Suns will send a 2012 second-round pick to Atlanta. Wizards, Spurs and Jazz tried to get involved with Childress, sources say.

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    This is not looking good for the Spurs. It appears this crazy off season really came to bite them in a "worst case scenario" type of way. Because of all the questionable contracts and RJ sucking, they missed out on a lot of opportunities to fine tune the team.

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    The spurs may have just completed their entire off-season agenda.

    http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp


    Tim Duncan $18,835,381
    Tony Parker $13,650,000
    Manu Ginobili $11,854,584
    Antonio McDyess $4,860,000
    DeJuan Blair $918,000
    George Hill $854,389
    Malik Hairston $854,389 (No / Partial Guarantee)
    Alonzo Gee $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
    Garrett Temple $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
    Curtis Jerrells $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
    Sub-Total $54,113,328

    Richard Jefferson $6,300,000 (5yr/$37M - must be more than MLE / 5 years)
    Matt Bonner $3,325,000 (4yr/$15M - must be raise and /4 years)
    Tiago Splitter $5,765,000 (5 yr/$34M - assume full MLE)
    James Anderson $1,134,500 (Rookie Scale)
    Ryan Richards $473,604 (Minimum rookie contract)
    Total $70,111,432

    Tax Threshold $70,307,000
    I bet that Splitter's contract is not for the entire MLE. If it were then you wouldn't have seen the comments that Splitter's camp was still waiting for an acceptable offer. I also would not be surprised if Bonner's contract didn't start lower than that. It doesn't take much tweaking to get the numbers low enough to open up the LLE. Also if you did that you would be cutting one of the minimum unguaranteed salaries.
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    If by the trade deadline we can't realistically beat LA, I say trade Parker. there is no point in keeping him only to lose him by FA and get nothing in return. unless we realistically have a shot of beating LA. The only way I see this happening is if RJ plays like d old RJ and Splitter is better than expected a 15 pt and 10 reb guy

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    I bet that Splitter's contract is not for the entire MLE. If it were then you wouldn't have seen the comments that Splitter's camp was still waiting for an acceptable offer. I also would not be surprised if Bonner's contract didn't start lower than that. It doesn't take much tweaking to get the numbers low enough to open up the LLE. Also if you did that you would be cutting one of the minimum unguaranteed salaries.
    We will find out soon enough, if we shaved a few $$$ off Bonner, a few $$$ off Splitter we could get some room....If we waived a couple of contracts and ran with a 13 man roster we could save about $1.5M....let's say we do any combination of the above and save enough for the Bi-Annual Exception, i am not sure there is anything out there that is clearly better than what we have at this point.

    Question for the Board - What Bi-Annual at this point would interest us and not only be an upgrade but actualy could eat up real minutes (ie. The BAE might be an upgrade on Gee or Temple but if neither Gee/Temple or the BAE can get more than 500 minutes of floor time who cares).

    I ask this question because i simply don't see anything out there at this point. I do think there could be some sign and trade possibilities (McDyess/RJ/MB) that could serve us but it doesn't look like that is going to happen.

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    I don't know anything about salary stuff, but how does Anderson make more than Hill, who has been around a couple of years already?

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