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    No, you haven't. I've asked that question of three different people in this thread, and no one has been able to provide an answer.
    Because it's a stupid question that usually doesn't have an answer. Mostly no one can answer, and those very few that can are supremely ed up (IMO). I assume you are supremely ed up.

    ing duh. That's what I've been saying.


    I've only ever pointed out that we are not in control; I've not made a single attempt to claim knowledge of what is in control.
    Untrue.

    Firstly, you for the condescension.
    I can't help you're an idiot. I gladly destroy these misrepresentations of facts you (and others) call arguments.

    Pick up a ing psychology text and stop talking out of your ass.

    Secondly, you're still missing it. Completely.
    Your opinion is rooted in bull , not facts. Touchy, feely bull . And even when you have addressed the issues - like talking about me bringing up nature and nuture - you've done it in a way that reveals you have no ing clue about what you're discussing.

    Time to face the music.
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    I know gay people wo by the age of 6 or 7 knew they we different...
    That'd be most sexuals.

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    so what about families with gay and straight children..same parents, same upbringing... how does that work?
    Each person is "brought up" differently, and their behavior reinforced in different ways. No two people are the same, agreed? So what kind of question is that?

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    Zosa, do you have any friends? I can't imagine the type of person that would want to spend time with you.

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    Zosa, do you have any friends? I can't imagine the type of person that would want to spend time with you.
    Great one Manny!!

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    Yo manny: how does one ac ulate 35000 posts on a message board then talk about someone else being a loser while holding a straight face?

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    lol pretending that psychology is an exact science...

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    might aswell tell em to pick up the bible...

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    lol pretending that psychology is an exact science...
    Who did that? And where?

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    Who did that? And where?
    You're asking people to pick up a psychology book, like that's some kind of authority on the subject, where it's as factless as anything in this thread.

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    You're asking people to pick up a psychology book, like that's some kind of authority on the subject, where it's as factless as anything in this thread.


    It's about as "factless" as behaviorists aren't empirical. Everything I've said can be backed up by research, easily done research.

    And it is an authority on the subject. Probably the authority on this subject.

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    Still waiting for where I pretended psychology is an exact science. I've used "theory" generously.

    Have you ever read a psych textbook? You might find it stunning how much biological and sociological information they use as the basis for their theories - you know, proven facts.

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    It's about as "factless" as behaviorists aren't empirical. Everything I've said can be backed up by research, easily done research.
    But not factually proven. Which is the other side of the scientific method that qualifies you as an exact science. This is something that psychologists get severely butthurt about, nonetheless, it's entirely accurate.

    And it is an authority on the subject. Probably the authority on this subject.
    As much as an authority as anybody claiming to know how the mind of anybody works. Please, do start explaining how the human mind operates. You'll be the first one.

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    But not factually proven. Which is the other side of the scientific method that qualifies you as an exact science. This is something that psychologists get severely butthurt about, nonetheless, it's entirely accurate.
    Snore


    As much as an authority as anybody claiming to know how the mind of anybody works. Please, do start explaining how the human mind operates. You'll be the first one.
    Psychology's definition is "study of human behavior and mental processes." IE, how the mind works.

    Wilhelm Wundt has me beat by, oh, 130 years?

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    Still waiting for where I pretended psychology is an exact science. I've used "theory" generously.
    You qualify it as something higher than the opinion of somebody else.
    I have to infer from that, that you think there's some actual factual information to be found there.

    Have you ever read a psych textbook? You might find it stunning how much biological and sociological information they use as the basis for their theories - you know, proven facts.
    Theories are not facts. A scientist knows as much...
    And if you knew anything about psychology, you would know very well there are very different, contradictory theories about this very subject.

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    Psychology's definition is "study of human behavior and mental processes." IE, how the mind works.
    Let me add, 'through observation'... still completely based on unverifiable theories, which makes my opinion and yours on the subject as good as anybody.

    Wilhelm Wundt has me beat by, oh, 130 years?
    130 years and we still don't know about the mind... looks like a heavily evolved science...

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    You qualify it as something higher than the opinion of somebody else.
    Psychologists have much research to fall back on.

    DuckingFumbass has her own stupid inhibitions.

    I have to infer from that, that you think there's some actual factual information to be found there.
    There is. A load of it.



    Theories are not facts. A scientist knows as much...
    Theories are based around facts. A scientist knows as much.

    And if you knew anything about psychology,
    Like the knowledge from acing psychology and abnormal pyschology courses?

    you would know very well there are very different, contradictory theories about this very subject.
    In the minority. The vast majority agree with my sentiments; and since you're so good at inferring, you should have known that I left the door open for just those.

    Freud and many others psychologists agree with this sentiment;
    I qualified my words. I didn't say that there are no conflicts in psychology. I didn't imply it. Like any other field, even fields concerning "exact sciences," there are conflicts.
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    Let me add, 'through observation'... still completely based on unverifiable theories, which makes my opinion and yours on the subject as good as anybody.
    That's completely illogical.



    130 years and we still don't know about the mind
    This statement is false.

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    Psychologists have much research to fall back on.
    DuckingFumbass has her own stupid inhibitions.
    Research that has shown different outcomes over the course of 130 years. Simply because nobody really knows how the mind works.

    There is. A load of it.
    Theories are based around facts. A scientist knows as much.
    Still a theory, ie: unverifiable, thus factually as good as anybody else's theory.

    Like acing psychology and abnormal pyschology courses?
    Good for you. I personally couldn't put up with the psychology bull for the duration and moved on to philosophy. Doesn't mean I didn't get my background.

    In the minority. The vast majority agree with my sentiments; and since you're so good at inferring, you should have known that I left the door open for just those.
    The minority is as good as anything else when you can't verify what you're saying. That statistically speaking 90% of people fit a criteria only proves that your theory is not good enough. If we built buildings using the same way psychology has faith in the soundness of it's science, we would have a lot of creaky buildings.

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    That's completely illogical.
    What is? This is the same conversation of prove me there's a god and disprove there is a god. Which philosophically speaking, really makes psychology a lot like religion.

    This statement is false.
    Through psychology? Absolutely true statement.

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    52 % cons utes scientific proof, . This is science not a presidential election.


    Stay in the Nba Boards.

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    Research that has shown different outcomes over the course of 130 years. Simply because nobody really knows how the mind works.
    Not in the case of sexuality. In fact, sexuality is one of the very few aspects of psychology that can be "measured." How? Most people can be sure, or mostly sure, of their sexuality, without much "mental" red tape.



    Still a theory, ie: unverifiable, thus factually as good as anybody else's theory.
    It is verified by the facts. Just because more than one theory fits the facts doesn't mean a theory isn't verified.

    That's like saying evolution isn't a fact even though every day it's proven time and time again. (Yes, I just said that, and meant it.)



    Good for you. I personally couldn't put up with the psychology bull for the duration and moved on to philosophy. Doesn't mean I didn't get my background.
    That's interesting (really). How do you find philosophy not full of the same BS? I haven't taken a philosophy course but I'd think it'd have much more immeasurable, non-empirical "proof."



    The minority is as good as anything else when you can't verify what you're saying. That statistically speaking 90% of people fit a criteria only proves that your theory is not good enough. If we built buildings using the same way psychology has faith in the soundness of it's science, we would have a lot of creaky buildings.
    It's an interesting point, and one I'm willing to concede. It still doesn't mean that the facts don't fit their theories, or that the theories themselves are unusable. Second, 99.9% of educated people base their arguments on some aspect of psychology (nature/nurture) when having these discussions. An appeal to your inner self as proof is simply questionable, because a psychologist has already done that with others like yourself. Why is their evidence unusable compared with yours?

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    And BTW, I'm pretty sure we'll know the answer to this through exact science at some point or another. We're just not there yet.

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    Look dumbass apparently your observation skills are sorely lacking. the twins reference was in response to another one of your poltical brethern trying to state that upbringing is the reason why people either are, or aren't gay...
    Yeah, and i'm just pointing out how you're example is horrid. It's a valid conclusion. I'm not knocking on you for refuting someone else, i'm knocking on you for bringing even weaker .

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    And BTW, I'm pretty sure we'll know the answer to this through exact science at some point or another. We're just not there yet.
    It's a bunch of bull , the feild of psychology doesn't support your premise so you're hoping to find that gay gene.

    It's not about waiting for the truth.

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