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This hurts Celtics chances at winning the East greatly.
Via SpearsNBAYahoo.
http://www.nba.com/news/features/ald...s=iref:nbahpt2
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This hurts Celtics chances at winning the East greatly.
that's cheap is he restricted??? why would boston let him go lol
Allen is one of the top defensive guards in basketball. They have to sign him to have any chance to matchup to Miami imo.
He guarded all the top wings (Kobe, LBJ, Wade, Vince) for them the entire playoffs. Usually him and Ray Allen would have those responsibilities.
They need him badly.
Why is Cuban and the Mavericks not trying to sign his non jump shooting ass....dude can attack the rim and play solid D
compared to what other piece of players have gotten, that is a very affordable deal
WTF is Tony Allen's agent? Thats the best he could do
When is the link gonna be put up? It shouldn't take that long.
I guess its a good signing by the Grizzlies.
Meh. Good for Allen. He would have helped some vs Miami but not that much. He jumped out of a sinking ship so good for him.
yeah, this will allow OJ to not tire himself out on the defensive end as much, therefore achieving 25 PPG ecstasy.
Good pick-up for the Memphis Grizzlies.
This is a big loss for the Celtics. Allen not only is a part of the team before the big three go together, he is also their best perimeter defender off the bench and often spent many nights on the floor in crunch time.
It may not make much difference because I think the Celtics are done, but I think this will really hurt them in the long-run.
grizzlies must really love the lakers.
I think some of you way overrated Tony Allen. Yes, he's a solid defender. But his offense is so atrocious, Doc Rivers had a hard time giving him more than 8-10 mpg when it really mattered. Good defender. I'm shocked some think he's a top wing defender in the league.
Not that it matters because analysts can be wrong, but Jeff Van Gundy argued that he's a top 5 on ball defender in the league (sometime during the Finals)...I thought it would be easy to refute that but it really wasn't.
Here's 3 definites I came up with:
Shane Battier
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant
Here's 3 other guys I thought that could be better but I wasn't sure
Rajon Rondo
Thabo Sefalosha
Arron Afflalo
I think his performance these playoffs may have been overrated, but there is a reason for that. Its because he did one of a job and that counts for something.
The kid's really athletic and you need that against a Wade, LeBron, or Kobe.
You know about basketball. There's no one out there with his skillset.
Allen is poor ball handler and has an inconsistent jumper, but his scoring comes on alley oops, cuts to the basket, and transition plays which makes up for his weaknesses. Plus all reports are last year he finally seemed to get it, and played smarter on offense. Plus he is without a doubt a top wing defender in the league. The Celtics will most likely match this.
Chris Forsberg from ESPN Boston writes why this is such a big blow to the C's:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba...ris&id=5372609
I think he is a very good defender but dont buy the ABC hype ...
I think some of the eSPN/ABC guys were saying he was the top perimeter defender ...
Tallen was so bad on offense he sabotaged the Celts chances of winning the le.
Before the Finals:
I told co-workers yes allen would do a good job on kobe ...but if he played any length of times WITH rondo ...no way they could win.
When paired with rondo ... Lakers ignored allen and played off of Rondo ...
celts were playing almost 3.5 vs. 5 on offense...
Allen needs to be in an uptemp system on offense (he can finish well) and be used as a stopper in short bursts on defense ...
agree whole-heartedly ...he maybe better than kobe night in night out cuz that all he does but not sure he is the "top" at anything related to basketball
I think Tony Allen is a very good defender. He's very quick, very athletic, and strong for his size. Plus, he wants to play defense, something alone that separates him from a lot of NBA players. The simple desire to play hard on defense is lost on a lot of players these days.
I think he's overrated for a couple of reasons. First, I think how well he defends is very much a product of his teammates playing great defense behind him. You can talk to great perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest, and they'll probably tell you that being a great, and moreover an effective, perimeter defender relies a great deal on your teammates being in good position behind you to not only be help defenders, but to take away angles and drives from the guy they're defending. The Celtics over the last 3 seasons, even when old and injured, have played great team defense. That gives perimeter defenders the ability to be more aggressive. And that's the other reason I think Tony Allen is overrated, he's way over-aggressive. He bites on fakes more than any "top" wing defender in the league. Shot fake, pump fake, and he's up in the air and he's collecting a foul. He's not disciplined when it comes to that. What helps him a lot is that I think Boston as a team gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to fouls a lot of times. Allen clutches and grabs as much as anyone out on the perimeter. Good luck not getting called for all those hand checks when he's playing for Memphis.
That doesn't mean he's not a good defender. I believe he is. But I certainly think he's really overrated. I look at a guy like Raja Bell a few years ago and how effective he was as a wing defender with no help defender behind him and on a team that was noted as a poor defensive team. And Raja didn't have the athleticism Tony Allen has. To me, that's far more impressive than what Tony Allen has done the last couple seasons.
Guys like Thabo Sefolosha, Arron Afflalo, Kirk Hinrich, Mickael Pietrus are not only better wing defenders than Tony Allen, I think they're much, much better wing defenders. Then you add guys like Artest, Battier, Brandon Roy, and even LeBron, Wade, and Kobe when they want to be, I don't think Tony Allen is a top 5 wing defender at all.
Agree with MOSt of this but I wouldn't put wade or Lebron up there they are BOTH GREAT HELP defenders not impressed 1 on1.
Even when motivated they are NOT great perimeter defenders ... more like above average IMHO.
But when focused they are jordanesque on help defense blocking shots from behind making steals etc ...
I will concede though that Lebron in particular has vastly improved on defense ...never thought he was DPOY consideration worthy, but when you factor how good he is at help defense with the improvements he has made 1 on 1 ... and he is very good just not great IMHO ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 03-24-2011 at 05:56 PM.
I know you don't want to believe it, and in the wake of the Miami decision it's easy to hate on LeBron for anything, but he really is an elite perimeter defender now. He is just not steals and chase down blocks. He obviously doesn't play lockdown perimeter defense all game long, but he is very much capable. He's even done so on Kobe. Wade is more about steals and blocks than LeBron actually, but Wade is an excellent perimeter defender too. In fact, based on last season alone, both are better perimeter defenders than Kobe was. For last season anyway.
Kobe's block and steal numbers have never been very impressive. Except for one good season in 03-04. I know that's separate from one on one defense, but it shows he doesn't really have the ability to wreak havoc all over the floor like those guys do. Or like Pippen and Jordan did.
When Kobe was still a great defender (he's not as good anymore), he never was about getting steals or blocks. He was about locking up the man he was guarding. Bruce Bowen never got a lot of steals or blocks and for many years was noted as the premier perimeter defender. It's too bad there are still people that equate blocks and steals as necessarily meaning good or great defense. Quite often, it's quite the opposite. Players like Allen Iverson and Chris Paul would get tons of steals but not be great perimeter defenders. Marcus Camby would get a load of blocks and rebounds but not really be a very good low post defender. Blocks and steals are tangible defensive stats that quite often fail to show who are good defenders and bad defenders.
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