Obnoxious much? Since when does someone's credibility depend on your personal hatefest?
You just killed whatever credibility you may have had in making your counterpoint.
Bonner is a scrub.
Bonner is a legit NBA player, end of the bench or not. Ian might eventually become NBA player, but currently is not. He'd do well to have a Bonner-like career, but odds are against him.
It doesn't get much more worthless than logging your only minutes in a series as a human failure cigar does it? I'm not defending Bonner's play... guy played awkward D and compounded it with terrible shooting. Is he less likely to fall for a pump-fake, get in the air, and give a foul than Ian, though? I say yes.
That doesn't diminish the fact that Bonner is a scrub. There are a lot of scrubs on NBA rosters and there is a certainly place for Bonner in the NBA. However, not on a team that claims it is "serious" about challenging the 2-time NBA Champion Fakers for Western Conference surpemacy.
Disagree. Lakers have Luke Walton on an even bigger contract, yet are NBA Champions. Challenging the Lakers doesn't have anything to do with Bonner, he's a serviceable bench big, that's it. A playoff scrub, if you want, fair enough, but he's had a very decent career - 6 seasons, 430 games played, 7 PPG, over 40% career 3-point shooting. He's a legit NBA bench player. No more, no less. This is why his contract numbers are more in line with Yohan Petro's than Pau Gasol's.
Him being on the Spurs roster has nothing to do with the Spurs 2010/2011 championship chances, none at all. Just like Mahinmi.
Specifically against Dirk in that series, I'm not sure that a broom would not have done better than Bonner. My comment had little to do with Ian, but more specifically that McDyess should be credited with doing as good a job with Dirk as anybody can do in this league.
I hope Ian does well wherever he goes. I believe the Spurs saw in Blair a kid with more potential and skill and they already were thinking about Splitter, so I can see why they would let him walk. To me, that doesn't necessarily mean Ian is a scrub. I also agree he didn't get the same chances as Hill or Blair, who were handed rotation minutes right off the bat, even when Hill was pretty shaky in his new role as a PG and a fairly terrible summer league shooting wise.
fify
with Matt Bonner we know what you got an atrocious rebounder who shot some 3s during the regular season and an absolute useless rotation big during the PO.
I prefer the non nba player Ian for the LLE, I let you the nba player
Luke Walton doesn't even sniff 10 minutes of the Lakers rotation. He is truly a 5th big. That's the difference between Phil and Pop, Phil has his pet scrub players, but that doesn't make him play them for 20 mpg.
Bonner is not a legit bench player, he's a marginal bench player in this league because of his mental lapses and lack of defense. Then in crucial games he chokes up and throws brick after brick. This is not "legit".
If Bonner would have been signed at a reasonable price (2yr/6m) and Pop actually played him the same as PJ plays Walton (9 minutes a game and even less in the playoffs) I don't think there would be a problem.
I just heard that Paul the Octopus picked Ian over Bonner.
So we make a prospect NBA ready by throwing the kitchen sink at him, then just give him away to an in-state rival.
Perfect continuation to this offseason.
Do you think that maybe, just maybe, there might be some kind of a correlation between being a legitimate NBA player and being on Pop's "good guy" list? Besides Ian, who are some of the other can't miss guys whom that mean old Pop shipped out, and what NBA teams are they currently starring for?
I too hope that the mavericks play Ian Mahinmi lots and lots of minutes.Mark my word, Minhimi will have his best games of the season against SA. This dude is a baller, and i hope RC gives him his chance to shine....
I never said he wasn't. He's an NBA scrub. "NBA" being a very crucial distinction. Even if the Spurs had cut Bonner loose, he'd still be on an NBA team next year. There are guys who are just good enough to be NBA scrubs, and then there are guys who aren't even that good.
You just killed whatever credibility you may have had in making your counterpoint.
Bonner is a scrub.
Quite often there is a connection between not getting to see a guy on a regular basis and a guy not being good enough to be deserving to be seen on a regular basis.FYI, no one on this board knows what Ian's ceiling or capabilities are because we never saw him on a regular basis. Personally, I'm not convinced the guy can't play in this league.
Bonner is one-dimensional. That one dimension is still good enough to earn him a 6 year, and counting, NBA career. Ian doesn't have that one dimension. He's just a big athletic body. That alone is not enough to stick in the NBA.Meanwhile, what we do know, and what should be painfully obvious to everyone by now, is Bonner is nothing more than an "end-of-the-bench, scrub". A scrub, who Pop has seemingly fallen madly in love with and now has chosen to grossly overpay. A one-dimensional player, that Pop continues for force-feed minutes in hopes that he can provide some semblance of Horry-like contribution. However unlike Horry, he chokes under pressure.
That's the point right there. Pop is a sure-fire, HOF coach. However he's not flawless. One of his obvious flaws, is that he falls in love with players whose production generates diminishing returns the longer they're on the court. He did so with Finley and now with Bonner.
At this point, Bonner is what he is - a scrub, who can occasionally perform well against lesser compe ion, but wilts under big-game and playoff pressure situations. We've watched confirmation of this for the past several seasons. Keeping him around is not going to change that. He didn't deserve another year on this team.
Still, it's just assinine to me that they've invested another 4 years and 16mil in a player, whose deficiencies are apparent and whose limited production DOES NOT translate into an upgrade to the supporting cast. At the same time, Ian gets booted out before it's clear whether or not he can help.
The hypocrisy is that, for years, Spurs have ran guys off the roster, who proved themselves incapable of either fitting in or upping their production. For example, Beno, Elson, Hedo, Van Exel, and a host of others were ran off for one reason or another - and for good reason. Yet Bonner, with no track record of consistent production and a horrific playoff resume, gets a pass and gets rewarded with a new contract and salary increase.
Instead of resigning Bonner, a better solution for the Spurs would've been signing a more well-rounded, SF with that money. A SF who could play both ends of the court. At that point, the risk of resigning Ian for a season or two, at a low cost, would've been minimal. After a season or so as a rotation player, if Ian proved that he didn't deserve the minutes, then the Spurs would've been justified to ship him out too. There's nothing wrong with churning the bottom of the roster in an effort to strengthen the supporting cast.
^ They couldn't have signed any SF with Bonner's money, per CBA.
Keep in mind if we would have signed Diop four years ago to play next to Tim, we'd probably have another ring.
You know who Ian always reminded me of? A less athletic Stromile Swift.
Raw, good athlete, all the tools, but not a great basketball IQ. I've always thought Stromile was about Ian's ceiling.
I hope he does well though. I have always been proud of the Spurs organization for not keeping players around who won't play, simply for the sake of not letting other teams have them. The Spurs seem to value a player's development and wishes as much as any team in the league. Compe ively this might not always be the best route, but it fits the Spurs' culture.
Walton's a scrub, but he actually makes plays in the post-season.
What has Bonner ever done in the post-season, other than be a turn style on defense and help Channing Frye get $35 million?
You mean like Scola?
Yep, Pop's batting a thousand in player development and retaining players.
See:
Hedo Turkoglu
Beno Udrih
John Salmons
Raja Bell
Stephen Jackson
Luis Scola
Leandro Barbosa
And they just gave Bonner a bloated contract for being the Anti-Horry in the playoffs
Just log off, because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Well, there are two sides to it. One, I'd always like the Spurs to find a way to fit a skilled player into their team, and use them. But if the Spurs are NOT going to play someone, I like that they give them an opportunity to go elsewhere and get the time and experience they want.
Scola, Beno, Theo and Finley (last year). I would have loved the Spurs to find a way to make the first three of those guys work and get some PT because I think they could have helped. But if the coaching staff simply was not going to play them, then I respect the team for giving them a chance to play elsewhere and not just hoarding them on the bench.
Really? You're going to bring to this players who have been drafted for other teams and have never played a minute for the Spurs?Yep, Pop's batting a thousand in player development and retaining players.
See:
Hedo Turkoglu
Beno Udrih
John Salmons
Raja Bell
Stephen Jackson
Luis Scola
Leandro Barbosa
And they just gave Bonner a bloated contract for being the Anti-Horry in the playoffs
Just log off, because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Please, follow your own advice.
To be fair, the list should be:
Hedo Turkoglu
Beno Udrih
Stephen Jackson
Luis Scola
The others were draft picks we traded to other teams. I don't think the Spurs knew who was to be picked prior to the trade.
Still, all these four players are STARTERS IN OTHER TEAMS.
Who cares, he's re ed
The only one on that list who was drafted for another team was Barbosa. But still, we passed on drafting a guy like him at that position for the sake of saving some cash that summer, yet we just blew about $14 million too much on Matt freakin' Bonner.
So damn right I'm going to call Pop out.
and we resign Bonner
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