new jefferson to mavs report...

[Amarelooms]

Update my friend Shank?

[Booharv]

Two to three years ago Jefferson would have a hard time playing power forward in his current state. But lately with the Celtics and Lakers dominance it seems teams are going back to bigger lineups. Granted KG and Gasol were/are mobile enough to make this work even against stretch teams but a lot of teams are going bigger. Against teams like Orlando with Lewis, OKC with Green, Cleveland with Jamison, Jefferson might get torched for transition layups and three pointers but there are a ton of teams he could play the 4 against. Besides if I were to bench anyone it would be Haywood over Jefferson.

[Zelophehad]

Two to three years ago Jefferson would have a hard time playing power forward in his current state. But lately with the Celtics and Lakers dominance it seems teams are going back to bigger lineups. Granted KG and Gasol were/are mobile enough to make this work even against stretch teams but a lot of teams are going bigger. Against teams like Orlando with Lewis, OKC with Green, Cleveland with Jamison, Jefferson might get torched for transition layups and three pointers but there are a ton of teams he could play the 4 against. Besides if I were to bench anyone it would be Haywood over Jefferson.

Yeah, I also think the Spurs are going to have similar problems trying to keep two centers on the court in today's league with Splitter and Duncan the difference is the Mavs could punish teams who put stretch/perimeter fours on Jefferson by going down low to Al.

[Edward]

Name the two centers lineups in NBA history that worked?

Bynum-Gasol

[Zelophehad]

Bynum-Gasol

Gasol's really a power forward and is very mobile for his size. Plus the Lakers have Odom to come off the bench and guard the stretch four types. Do you think Al can guard Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green in transition?

[Edward]

Gasol's really a power forward and is very mobile for his size. Plus the Lakers have Odom to come off the bench and guard the stretch four types. Do you think Al can guard Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green in transition?

No, I don't, but stretch 4s who are best in transition are rarely difference makers in the playoffs. 9 out of 10 times in the playoffs, the stretch 4 gets wrecked by the traditional 4 or the 4/5. Teams don't win championships with a center and four perimeter players as their starting unit.

[Mavs_man_41]

Gasol's really a power forward and is very mobile for his size. Plus the Lakers have Odom to come off the bench and guard the stretch four types. Do you think Al can guard Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green in transition?

Do you think they will be able to guard him in the post?

[Zelophehad]

Al is awesome but he'll playing the vast majority of the center minutes if he comes in. Maybe some power forward against certain teams. That's my prediction. and Haywood's minutes will drop and he'll be about it. Still a definite upgrade.

[Zelophehad]

Do you think they will be able to guard him in the post?

Of course not, but like in 07 teams always seem to match up small for some reason. In the old days teams would pound the ball down low and force the other team to match up which is what I would do myself.

[Booharv]

Not even trying to troll, but you guys know Carlisle will find some excuse to get Najera PF minutes.

[stretch]

Do you think Al can guard Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green in transition?

Do you think Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green can guard Al in grind-out, half court games (which is what the playoffs turn into, especially down the stretch in close games)?

Works both ways. I'll take the post scorer, any day, especially when you have Dirk running around torching everyone from anywhere on the court.

The Mavericks will be especially hard to guard with Al, because positions 3-5 all have very good scorers. If you put your best big-man defender on Dirk, Al will torch you, and vice versa. If you put your best perimeter defender on Dirk, then Caron will torch his the weaker defender that he will have on him.

They are all different styles of scorers, which makes it even tougher for opposing defenses. So any one of them can go off any night, and we aren't even talking about Roddy, Kidd, or Terry possibly having a hot night.

[Zelophehad]

Do you think Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green can guard Al in grind-out, half court games (which is what the playoffs turn into, especially down the stretch in close games)?

Works both ways. I'll take the post scorer, any day, especially when you have Dirk running around torching everyone from anywhere on the court.

The Mavericks will be especially hard to guard with Al, because positions 3-5 all have very good scorers. If you put your best big-man defender on Dirk, Al will torch you, and vice versa. If you put your best perimeter defender on Dirk, then Caron will torch his the weaker defender that he will have on him.

They are all different styles of scorers, which makes it even tougher for opposing defenses. So any one of them can go off any night, and we aren't even talking about Roddy, Kidd, or Terry possibly having a hot night.

I was talking about possibly playing Jefferson and Haywood together. And Al having to guard 4s. Jefferson and Dirk should dominate.

[monosylab1k]

Not even trying to troll, but you guys know Carlisle will find some excuse to get Najera PF minutes.

I pray more than anything that Barea and Najera are part of this deal, just so there's no way possible Carlisle can up the rotations.

[monosylab1k]

Gasol's really a power forward and is very mobile for his size. Plus the Lakers have Odom to come off the bench and guard the stretch four types. Do you think Al can guard Rashard, Jamison, and Jeff Green in transition?

Jamison yes, Green no, Rashard no but Rashard stops himself just fine.

[Zelophehad]

Not even trying to troll, but you guys know Carlisle will find some excuse to get Najera PF minutes.

That the Mavs played Najera as our backup four when Marion is perfectly capable of playing there like he did with Phoenix is ridiculous. Carlisle putting Najera in in a ing playoff game was like when John Chaney inserted his "goons" in to send a message, except Chaney did it in a blowout not with the ing season on the line. I don't care where Marion wants to play, really him and Haywood need to stfu if we get Jefferson.

[mavs>spurs2]

Name the two centers lineups in NBA history that worked? I will Hakeem-Sampson and Duncan Robinson. Those are some athletes and a guy who was a power forward really early in his career (Duncan). The Knicks tried a young 20ppg Bill Cartwright and Ewing together and it was too slow in 1986-87.

Al Jefferson isn't really a center, and doesn't protect the rim like one. Get ready for the annual first round exit because we will be one of the poorest defensive teams in the league with that lineup.

[Zelophehad]

Al Jefferson isn't really a center, and doesn't protect the rim like one. Get ready for the annual first round exit because we will be one of the poorest defensive teams in the league with that lineup.

Imo Jefferson is a true center and since he weighs 270+ I don't see him playing pf against a ton of uptempo teams effectively. Tbh his blocks aren't that horrible 1.3 coming off knee surgery and 1.7, 1.5, 1.5 the years before that. Not awesome but decent. Word is he's been improving his defensive effort and is not as horrible as he used to be. Besides if Hakeem Olajuwon was on this market I'd go for him. He's not though.

[mavs>spurs2]

Imo Jefferson is a true center and since he weighs 270+ I don't see him playing pf against a ton of uptempo teams effectively. Tbh his blocks aren't that horrible 1.3 coming off knee surgery and 1.7, 1.5, 1.5 the years before that. Not awesome but decent. Word is he's been improving his defensive effort and is not as horrible as he used to be. Besides if Hakeem Olajuwon was on this market I'd go for him. He's not though.

If Al Jefferson can come in and play above average defense, then the mavs will be much improved. problem is, al jefferson has never displayed any above average defense for an entire season, or even half of one for that matter. We'll see, but even if we get him, I don't think that alone is going to help us. We'd have to do something crazy like somehow pull both he and CP3 out of our asses. All thanks to those s in Miami.

[Zelophehad]

If Al Jefferson can come in and play above average defense, then the mavs will be much improved. problem is, al jefferson has never displayed any above average defense for an entire season, or even half of one for that matter. We'll see, but even if we get him, I don't think that alone is going to help us. We'd have to do something crazy like somehow pull both he and CP3 out of our asses. All thanks to those s in Miami.

I've really trained myself not to think about them, which isn't that hard since they're in the other conference. But yeah I've read stuff about Al putting forth more effort on defense but it has been random articles, who knows if he's sustained it. You gotta think playing on a contender for the first time will bring out a whole new level of commitment to him. Even Ray Allen started playing D the minute he arrived in Boston so its possible.

[sefant77]

Whats that for a discussion here?

You have Dirk playing 36 in regular and 40-42 during PO. Would Al be able to play 6-12 minutes PF against the other BENCH?? Of course...

You can fill the 48min of PF with Dirk/Jefferson and 48min C with Haywood/Jefferson.

So is there really a discussion??

[Zelophehad]

Whats that for a discussion here?

You have Dirk playing 36 in regular and 40-42 during PO. Would Al be able to play 6-12 minutes PF against the other BENCH?? Of course...

You can fill the 48min of PF with Dirk/Jefferson and 48min C with Haywood/Jefferson.

So is there really a discussion??

Haywood's minutes would likely tumble a lot, unless you played Jefferson a lot at power forward. Since Jefferon presumably would play starter's minutes.

[Koolaid_Man]

I love Mark Cuban he's done more to up the Mavs chances of competing with LA than a fella can possibly dream up...21 gun salute to you Mr Mark ing Cuban...

[BUMP]

I love Mark Cuban he's done more to up the Mavs chances of competing with LA than a fella can possibly dream up...21 gun salute to you Mr Mark ing Cuban...

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[monosylab1k]

96 minutes for 4 guys.

Dirk - 32
Jefferson - 30
Haywood - 29
Mahinmi - 5

[Zelophehad]

96 minutes for 4 guys.

Dirk - 32
Jefferson - 30
Haywood - 29
Mahinmi - 5

I'll just say this as a final note since I've been babbling/repeating myself like crazy in this thread with teams like OKC, ORL, PHOE (Hedo is their pf next year), NYC, GS (only one big man at a time), etc. there are a ton of teams Jefferson wouldn't play the four against imo.

Here's my dream scenarios/lineup:

Starters: Kidd-Roddy-Butler-Dirk-Jefferson.

With the minutes like this:

PG: Kidd 32mpg /Roddy 16
SG: Roddy 20 /Terry 28
SF: Butler 31 /Marion 17
PF: Dirk 35 /Marion (not ing Najera, never ing Najera) 7 (against smallball teams or teams who go small) Jefferson 7 (against teams with biigs he can cover)
C: Jefferson 31 /Haywood 17
DNP:Najera, Barea

Taking three minutes off everybody's yearly averages for blowouts/matchup reasons in certain games, it would be something like this.

Jefferson:35
Roddy: 33
Dirk:32
Kidd: 29
Butler:28
Marion:21
Haywood:14

And if Barea's numbers were expressed in a mathematical equation with x being Barea's per game average it would go like this:

X ≤ -0.

I see Haywood not playing as much and being expendable, especially considering his salary unless you want to limit Jefferson's minutes which is a dumb move imo. Or you could play big all the time and risk getting run off the court. In reality I would trade Haywood if it cam to that.