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    The love for Raja bell is strange. He was really showing signs of slowing down in 2007 and Phoenix fans were ready to see him go. As a "defensive stopper" he's lost a lot of lateral quickness. He's pretty much just a physical hard nosed defender without the quickness to keep up...sounds like someone the Spurs had last year. And im not sure how anyone could objectively call Raja Bell a great 3-point shooter. He's an up-n-down kind of outside shooter. His 3-point shooting is definitely not something you're going to count on going into a playoff series.

    I'm no Bogans fan, but for anyone that thinks getting Bell is some kind of upgrade, you're going to be disappointed.

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    As a "defensive stopper" he's lost a lot of lateral quickness. He's pretty much just a physical hard nosed defender without the quickness to keep up...sounds like someone the Spurs had last year. And im not sure how anyone could objectively call Raja Bell a great 3-point shooter. He's an up-n-down kind of outside shooter. His 3-point shooting is definitely not something you're going to count on going into a playoff series.

    I'm no Bogans fan, but for anyone that thinks getting Bell is some kind of upgrade, you're going to be disappointed.
    I wouldn't say he's lost a lot of lateral quickness. He may have lost a small step, but he still would be our best perimeter defender out of our known commodities in Manu, Jefferson and Hill.

    And Bell is 79-164 (48%) from the distance in his past 4 postseasons.

    (Also: since 2004-2005 season Bell has shot above 40% from 3 every year.)

    So his 3-point shooting is definitely something you can count on.

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    And im not sure how anyone could objectively call Raja Bell a great 3-point shooter. He's an up-n-down kind of outside shooter. His 3-point shooting is definitely not something you're going to count on going into a playoff series.

    I'm no Bogans fan, but for anyone that thinks getting Bell is some kind of upgrade, you're going to be disappointed.
    Bogans, for his entire career, has never shot over 40% from the 3 point line and has never been an ALL-NBA Defensive 1st Team Player. I like that Bell doesn't mind taking shots. Some of last year's Spurs outside perimeter players had their gonads shrivel up if an outside jumper was needed. Bell...ALL-GONAD team. Anyone that has the gumption to clothesline Kobe, and today, has Kobe calling him despite that, is PIMP. Raja Bell, USVI's best is waiting for another Croixan to join him.

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    Bogans, for his entire career, has never shot over 40% from the 3 point line and has never been an ALL-NBA Defensive 1st Team Player. I like that Bell doesn't mind taking shots. Some of last year's Spurs outside perimeter players had their gonads shrivel up if an outside jumper was needed. Bell...ALL-GONAD team. Anyone that has the gumption to clothesline Kobe, and today, has Kobe calling him despite that, is PIMP. Raja Bell, USVI's best is waiting for another Croixan to join him.


    The Spurs need someone like that in their perimeter rotation.

    I know, Malik Hairston is going to be that. Right.

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    What Bowen brought to the Spurs was every bit as essential during their run of les and Finals appearances, particularly to coach Gregg Popovich, as the playmaking and scoring of Tony Parker, the creativity of Manu Ginobili and the fundamental wonderfulness of Tim Duncan. He was the starch in their black-and-silver shorts, the guy assigned to thwart the other team's most potent scorer and the San Antonio player who invariably became the lightning rod of abuse and invective for fans of 29 other teams.
    Sufferers such as Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Steve Nash and Nowitzki directed our attention to Bowen's feet (allegedly stepping underneath jump shooters), legs (kicking into his man) and knees (aimed at quadriceps and groins), but I'll always remember his hands flailing around and about the ball-handler like the NHL's Sean Avery pestering Martin Brodeur or, as Phil Jackson said, Edward Scissorhands.
    Dirty? At times it sure looked that way -- and Bowen was too good an athlete to pass those moments off as being clumsy. But he was tough, consistent and almost Eddie Haskell-like in his placid expressions through the most physical encounters. And like a single spoonful of castor oil, a little went a long way -- the idea of being guarded by Bowen seemed as distasteful to many NBA stars as the actual experience of it, given his reputation for making an opponent work. That alone made Bowen and the Spurs more effective.
    Bowen was named to the All-Defensive team in each of his first eight full NBA seasons. He was runner-up three times for Defensive Player of the Year, though he never won the award that's worthy of being named after him. That doesn't really matter -- what matters is that teams determined to chase a championship feel compelled these days to find a "Bruce Bowen-type" of guy: a clingy, even irritating defender who, for long stretches or whole nights, can negate a dangerous weapon from the other guys' arsenal. Now, from Raja Bell to James Posey, from Trevor Ariza to Jamario Moon, every alleged contender needs someone like Bowen if it expects to be taken seriously.
    Some of the players are slightly different in size or build (Matt Barnes, Reggie Evans, Mickael Pietrus). Some, such as Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Ariza and DeShawn Stevenson, have other skills or attributes at their disposal, occasionally luring them away from Bowen-type duty. But then, Bowen himself never was just a defender, frequently stepping into the corners for a key three-point shot. What they all share at their best, though, is a defense-first focus that the NBA as a whole seems to welcome only in limited quan ies, no more than one or two per roster, while coaches, purists and home-team fans welcome them wherever they can find them. Because Bowen reminded us we should.
    Summing up his career in his retirement session with reporters, Bowen said: "I hope my legacy would be as someone that never was satisfied with just being where they were."
    His legacy goes well beyond that. From inside the offensive man's jersey and head, all the way to "-type" status.
    There is no better "Bruce Bowen-Type player" than Raja Bell for the Spurs.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...wen/index.html

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    Raja is old.
    Barnes is as smart as RJ.
    Butler lacks fundamental defensive skills.
    Shaq is old, slow and large.
    McGrady is too much of a gamble and needs volume shots.
    Jones remains the most likely player. An under the radar player who can shoot, has good size and plays adequate defense.

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    Gives me chills - reading that. Oh, what memories!

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    Bogans, for his entire career, has never shot over 40% from the 3 point line and has never been an ALL-NBA Defensive 1st Team Player. I like that Bell doesn't mind taking shots. Some of last year's Spurs outside perimeter players had their gonads shrivel up if an outside jumper was needed. Bell...ALL-GONAD team. Anyone that has the gumption to clothesline Kobe, and today, has Kobe calling him despite that, is PIMP. Raja Bell, USVI's best is waiting for another Croixan to join him.
    Bell is tough, but he's not going to have the quickness to stay with 2-guards or quick SFs. Everyone knows he's tough but that's one of Bogan's strengths as well. It's not 2005-2006 anymore, and no one has seen the guy play in a year. He'll be 34 once the season starts and i don't see him being the defensive presence he once was. Overall, i think Matt Barnes brings more to the table than Bell. Barnes definitely has his detractors though.

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    Jones remains the most likely player. An under the radar player who can shoot, has good size and plays adequate defense.
    Adequate defense isn't going to cut it.

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    we need barnes, he will hardened the fck up where most of our players lack

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    Raja Bell has seen a massive decline in his defense since 2007, it isn't debatable IMO..he's still an above average defender if he's getting 15 minutes or so a game, but not more IMO..

    He's obviously an upgrade over Centerpiece, but my mom probably would be too..

    Spurs are still lacking heavily in athleticism..they don't have any players with great athleticism or lateral quickness right now..

    The Spurs are a long shot to win a le anyways, bringing in one of these minimum caliber vets doesn't change that..if they're going to take a risk, which they are doing either way, I'd much rather go with Hairston/Anderson/Temple..

    With the lack of handchecking in today's league, it's tough for these old guys to survive on the defensive end..the Spurs need to go in the direction of speed and athleticism on the wing to make up for the slow speed inside..

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    Overall, i think Matt Barnes brings more to the table than Bell. Barnes definitely has his detractors though.
    Barnes has spent 3 off-seasons trying out for the Spurs in free agent camps and has yet to stick. For whatever reason, Popovich isn't high on the guy.

    You can pretty much forget about Barnes.

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    Raja Bell has seen a massive decline in his defense since 2007, it isn't debatable IMO..he's still an above average defender if he's getting 15 minutes or so a game, but not more IMO..

    He's obviously an upgrade over Centerpiece, but my mom probably would be too..

    Spurs are still lacking heavily in athleticism..they don't have any players with great athleticism or lateral quickness right now..

    The Spurs are a long shot to win a le anyways, bringing in one of these minimum caliber vets doesn't change that..if they're going to take a risk, which they are doing either way, I'd much rather go with Hairston/Anderson/Temple..

    With the lack of handchecking in today's league, it's tough for these old guys to survive on the defensive end..the Spurs need to go in the direction of speed and athleticism on the wing to make up for the slow speed inside..
    +1

    Raja Bell would be nothing more than an expensive spot up 6'6" shooter, something which the spurs already have in Garret Temple.

    And I would bet Temple's lateral quickness on defense at this point is better than Bell and Temple can additionally handle the ball and get to the rack much better than Bell. Bell adds virtually no athleticism either, something Hairston can provide in abundance.

    It really makes little sense for the spurs to sign Bell. This isn't 2007 anymore.

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    Raja Bell has seen a massive decline in his defense since 2007, it isn't debatable IMO..he's still an above average defender if he's getting 15 minutes or so a game, but not more IMO..

    He's obviously an upgrade over Centerpiece, but my mom probably would be too..

    Spurs are still lacking heavily in athleticism..they don't have any players with great athleticism or lateral quickness right now..

    The Spurs are a long shot to win a le anyways, bringing in one of these minimum caliber vets doesn't change that..if they're going to take a risk, which they are doing either way, I'd much rather go with Hairston/Anderson/Temple..

    With the lack of handchecking in today's league, it's tough for these old guys to survive on the defensive end..the Spurs need to go in the direction of speed and athleticism on the wing to make up for the slow speed inside..
    None of those kids are surviving ref calls though, especially in the playoffs. A vet already knows what they can get away with, and against who (I'm talking refs here, not just players). They know much better tendencies, and simply have a much more experience being out there.

    I like Hairston/Anderson/Temple to develop and make them part of the future, but right now, if we're really aiming at number 5, it's not going to be those guys (except if the vet is glaringly bad, such as the centerpiece).

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    I wouldn't say he's lost a lot of lateral quickness. He may have lost a small step, but he still would be our best perimeter defender out of our known commodities in Manu, Jefferson and Hill.

    And Bell is 79-164 (48%) from the distance in his past 4 postseasons.

    (Also: since 2004-2005 season Bell has shot above 40% from 3 every year.)

    So his 3-point shooting is definitely something you can count on.
    Raja put up those numbers as a member of the Suns. No other team in the league offered the amount of wide open looks that D'Antoni's offense did. Shawn Marion looked like a competent outside shooter in that offense.

    Since leaving the Suns Bell has been just under 40% from 3-point range. The Spurs are no longer a low post oriented offense so i dont think it's accurate to assume Bell would see a big jump in 3-point efficiency with the Spurs. I think it's more accurate to assume the 34 year old would continue seeing a decline in numbers.

    Raja Bell has seen a massive decline in his defense since 2007, it isn't debatable IMO..he's still an above average defender if he's getting 15 minutes or so a game, but not more IMO..

    He's obviously an upgrade over Centerpiece, but my mom probably would be too..

    Spurs are still lacking heavily in athleticism..they don't have any players with great athleticism or lateral quickness right now..

    The Spurs are a long shot to win a le anyways, bringing in one of these minimum caliber vets doesn't change that..if they're going to take a risk, which they are doing either way, I'd much rather go with Hairston/Anderson/Temple..

    With the lack of handchecking in today's league, it's tough for these old guys to survive on the defensive end..the Spurs need to go in the direction of speed and athleticism on the wing to make up for the slow speed inside..
    This was always the problem with Bell. He was never an athletic player. He relied on physicality to cause perimeter players problems. If you watched how easily Ginobili drove past him throughout the 2008 series, it's not easy to be optimistic about his perimeter defense.

    I'm by no means part of the Hairston for president crew, but I'd rather have Hairston guarding opposing SFs than Bell. Hairston at least has the athletic ability to make up for the defensive footwork he's still in the process of developing.

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    Also, there's not going to be a magic 8 ball here. We either are going to play solid defense as a team, with all the components playing at a certain level of defense, or we're not going to make it. It basically doesn't matter if Bell/Hairston/Anderson/Temple do a good job on Kobe, if the weak link is Matt Bonner checking Gasol or Bynum.

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    JaG is right, Raja is more or less done and wouldn't help San Antonio. His body was not built to play 35+ MPG, the 3 seasons he did that for D'antoni put too much tread on his tires for him to ever be anything close to a useful rotation player again. The only reason a team should sign him is as the 11th or 12th man to get spot minutes, he should not be getting consistent minutes anymore.

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    Also, there's not going to be a magic 8 ball here. We either are going to play solid defense as a team, with all the components playing at a certain level of defense, or we're not going to make it. It basically doesn't matter if Bell/Hairston/Anderson/Temple do a good job on Kobe, if the weak link is Matt Bonner checking Gasol or Bynum.
    Not sure why people are still complaining about Bonner. Bonner, when given spot minutes to spread the floor, is quite effective. The Spurs didn't have many other options last season so they were forced to go with Bonner. He the bed in the PO, but the Spurs are no longer forced to go with him if he's missing from outside.

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    Not sure why people are still complaining about Bonner. Bonner, when given spot minutes to spread the floor, is quite effective. The Spurs didn't have many other options last season so they were forced to go with Bonner. He the bed in the PO, but the Spurs are no longer forced to go with him if he's missing from outside.
    I was talking about his defense, not his offense. People like to talk only about one side of the floor when it comes to Matt. It's as if it's automatic that he's gonna suck on the other end. Which is my point. You can bring whatever top perimeter defender or not, but if you're giving up layups to the big man, then it doesn't really matter.

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    Splitter joining and the emergence of Blair will limit Bonner's minutes.

    I can see an average per game minutes distribution at the 4 & 5 spots of:

    Duncan 30
    Splitter 30
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    McDyess 12
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    Splitter joining and the emergence of Blair will limit Bonner's minutes.

    I can see an average per game minutes distribution at the 4 & 5 spots of:

    Duncan 30
    Splitter 30
    Blair 15
    McDyess 12
    Bonner 9
    I'm with you. That said, you'll have to excuse me if I'm skeptic about Blair getting more playing time than Matt and Dice. I want it to be the case, but I don't think it will be.

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    JaG is right, Raja is more or less done and wouldn't help San Antonio. His body was not built to play 35+ MPG.

    Spurs have Ginobili, Jefferson, Hill, Anderson, Hairston all at the 2 and 3. They don't need Bell to play 35 minutes a night.

    All Spurs need is 20 minutes a night out of him.

    That is more than capable.

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    I was talking about his defense, not his offense. People like to talk only about one side of the floor when it comes to Matt. It's as if it's automatic that he's gonna suck on the other end. Which is my point. You can bring whatever top perimeter defender or not, but if you're giving up layups to the big man, then it doesn't really matter.
    Again, when i say the Spurs aren't forced to go with him, that obviously applies to both ends of the floor. Matt hustles, has good footwork and plays fundamental D. He struggles when he's forced to guard highly athletic players - Marion with Dallas, Amare with the Suns - and the Spurs couldn't play McDyess 40 min and were many times forced to go with Bonner. This shouldn't be the issue any more. His defense isn't changing, so if he's hitting from the outside he's a great asset. If he's not, the Spurs don't have to give him minutes, especially if he's facing unfavorable defensive matchups.

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    Spurs have Ginobili, Jefferson, Hill, Anderson, Hairston all at the 2 and 3. They don't need Bell to play 35 minutes a night.

    All Spurs need is 20 minutes a night out of him.

    That is more than capable.

    way to take a sentence out of context.


    Any team relying on Bell to play 20 MPG would be a team with major problems.

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