Another TP trade rumor (to Portland)

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If the Spurs are moving Parker, part of their thinking would have to be that Hill is ready to be the PG.

And there would be the white flag on the Duncan era.

[FkLA]

Are yall kidding? I dont expect it to happen but Id take Bayless, Miller, and Fernandez for Parker in a heartbeat...Miller can come right in and step in at the point. Has been consistantly called the most underrated PG in the NBA by his peers. Bayless has star written all over him, check the game Portland stole from us here in SA this past season and just about every other game where Roy was out and Bayless got big minutes. Dude performed and he's still like 21 or 22, our PG of the future right there. Rudy is Rudy, a quality player with good range capable of starting. Again its likely not happening but yalls reactions are laughable.

This reminds me of last off-season when people suggested Rondo&Perkins for Parker&Mahinmi and Spur fans laughed it off...talk about homers.

[ChumpDumper]

Then Parker's just determined to leave.

What makes you say that?

Spurstalkers are famous for reading way too much into brief quotes.

[timvp]

Talk about waving the white flag...

True.

Miller would be a horrible fit in your opinion, but what would the Spurs think?

Probably the same. You don't trade Parker to open up room for Hill only to bring in a PG who doesn't fit and who doesn't like playing a defined role.

[ChumpDumper]

This reminds me of last off-season when people suggested Rondo&Perkins for Parker&Mahinmi and Spur fans laughed it off...talk about homers.

I don't think you know why we were laughing at that trade.

[coachmac87]

Roy for Parker...only trade i do with Portland.

[Shastafarian]

Are yall kidding? I dont expect it to happen but Id take Bayless, Miller, and Fernandez for Parker in a heartbeat...

We're thankful you're not in the FO.

Miller can come right in and step in at the point. Has been consistantly called the most underrated PG in the NBA by his peers.

Welcome to 2005. Miller will be 35 by the time the playoffs start next year and his assist numbers have been declining since 2006.

Bayless has star written all over him, check the game Portland stole from us here in SA this past season and just about every other game where Roy was out and Bayless got big minutes.

He's not a true PG. That would leave Hill running the point. In other words...no.

Dude performed and he's still like 21 or 22, our PG of the future right there.

For a PG he really sucks at dishing the ball. He also isn't a very good shooter.

Rudy is Rudy, a quality player with good range capable of starting.

Is that why he doesn't start for Portland?

Again its likely not happening but yalls reactions are laughable.

Something's laughable...

[timvp]

If you are going to trade Parker, why trade him now and sell him low? Wait until the All-Star break. By then, his value should be rather high.

And even if the Spurs are convinced he wants to leave in the offseason, holding onto him might still be the smart move. First of all, in the new CBA, who knows if any team will be able to sign him next summer. Secondly, as we've seen this summer, it's easy to get a trade exception back. Getting a big trade exception is better than a scrub package of Miller/Bayless/Fernandez. Third and most importantly, it gives the Spurs the best chances of winning now and then figuring out in the summer if the Big 3 is still capable of winning.

[ChumpDumper]

True.

Probably the same. You don't trade Parker to open up room for Hill only to bring in a PG who doesn't fit and who doesn't like playing a defined role.

Conversely, you don't trade Tony when there is no one left to play the point. I don't see Hill and Bayliss as the point guard tandem for a contender for the next two seasons. I believe Miller's contract has a team option after this season, so it's another chip if there is any time left before the deadline in case he's not wanted/doesn't work out/Hill-Bayliss is the .

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What makes you say that?

I didn't say it, you did. I suggested that Parker spoke his mind to play the media in order to get the Spurs to the table. You said that they already knew how he felt. Therefore, he must just be telling everyone that he's gone next year and there was no subtext.

[timvp]

I don't see Hill ... as the point guard ... for a contender for the next two seasons.

Agreed. And that's why I don't think Parker should be traded unless it's no-brainer type deal. If the Spurs think Hill is a championship level point guard for whatever reason, then that's why they would trade TP. I can't imagine they'd trade TP just to trade him.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say it, you did. I suggested that Parker spoke his mind to play the media in order to get the Spurs to the table. You said that they already knew how he felt. Therefore, he must just be telling everyone that he's gone next year and there was no subtext.

No, he was answering a question that was asked.

His answer was not directed to the Spurs.

If he answered the question this way: "I will be gone next season," then you can say he said he will be gone next season.

Did he say that?

[FkLA]

I don't think you know why we were laughing at that trade.

The trade didnt have much chance of happening, sure. Didnt stop a bunch of you homers from coming in and saying that the Spurs would be re ed to make that deal though.

We're thankful you're not in the FO.
Welcome to 2005. Miller will be 35 by the time the playoffs start next year and his assist numbers have been declining since 2006.

Miller's game has never been about speed, he's a pass-first PG that manages games extremely well. Obviously he isnt in his prime but he also isnt suddenly going to fall of a cliff, he can fill in for a year or two while Bayless develops.

He's not a true PG. That would leave Hill running the point. In other words...no.
For a PG he really sucks at dishing the ball. He also isn't a very good shooter.

Hey that sounds just like a guy named Tony Paker who's a scoring PG and doesnt really shoot the ball very well.

Is that why he doesn't start for Portland?
Something's laughable...

Portland being so deep along with injuries probably has something to do with that. Batum aka Pippen 2.0 whom Spurs fans are in love with doesnt even start if Im not mistaken...I simply said he's capable of starting though. Something you really cant deny.

[ChumpDumper]

The trade didnt have much chance of happening, sure. Didnt stop a bunch of you homers from coming in and saying that the Spurs would be re ed to make that deal though.

And you have carried that chip on your shoulder ever since.

[Shastafarian]

Did you just compare Parker to Bayless?



Just in Parker's second year he was shooting 46% to Bayless's 41% and was averaging 3 more assists per game

[Marcus Bryant]

If you are going to trade Parker, why trade him now and sell him low? Wait until the All-Star break. By then, his value should be rather high.

Agreed. Also, Parker is the one player for whom you will be most likely to get a great rebuilding package (I think I just threw up a little). Duncan and Manu are nearing the end of their careers and Duncan won't be moved/won't want to be moved (IMO). Parker is in his prime. Whatever the Spurs get for Parker, it could mean the difference between an extended rebuilding period and a shorter one.

And even if the Spurs are convinced he wants to leave in the offseason, holding onto him might still be the smart move. First of all, in the new CBA, who knows if any team will be able to sign him next summer.

True. From what I understand, Stern publicly wants to make the next CBA even more friendly to smaller market teams.

Secondly, as we've seen this summer, it's easy to get a trade exception back. Getting a big trade exception is better than a scrub package of Miller/Bayless/Fernandez.

Yes. Moving Parker is a decision to start rebuilding now. Parker should command at least one budding all-star talent and a likely lottery pick, or an established star. I could see the Spurs choosing either type.

Third and most importantly, it gives the Spurs the best chances of winning now and then figuring out in the summer if the Big 3 is still capable of winning.

Yes. Splitter + the remainder of their offseason moves might be enough to move the Spurs back into serious contender status, or make them compe ive enough such that the box office doesn't suffer for the next couple of years. I think this is the greatest concern for the Spurs, being stuck with a large payroll long after they are a playoff team.

[Shastafarian]

Let's trade away our best trade chip for an aging, egotistical PG; a mediocre, egotistical SG; and a guy who shoots 41% from the floor and averaged under 2.5 assists per game

[anakha]

Hey that sounds just like a guy named Tony Paker who's a scoring PG and doesnt really shoot the ball very well.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jerryd_bayless/
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_parker/

Bayless shoots 41% from the field, Parker shoots nearly 49%.

Next time, have an idea of what you're talking about, thanks.

[FkLA]

And you have carried that chip on your shoulder ever since.

No, not really. I just find if funny...Parker is a proven player but he still isnt a franchise player. He has one-year left on his contract and has made it clear that he intends to test FA. What exactly do Spur fans expect to get out of him?

Did you just compare Parker to Bayless?



Just in Parker's second year he was shooting 46% to Bayless's 41% and was averaging 3 more assists per game

Their games, not their track record. Or are you going to tell me Parker isnt a scoring PG and that he has a good shot? Besides Bayless has played significantly less minutes, he wasnt given the reins like Parker was. When he's received time though he's performed. Parker is better but its really not a fair comparison either way.

[ChumpDumper]

No, not really. I just find if funny...Parker is a proven player but he still isnt a franchise player. He has one-year left on his contract and has made it clear that he intends to test FA. What exactly do Spur fans expect to get out of him?

Something better than that package.

[Shastafarian]

Their games, not their track record. Or you going to tell me Parker isnt a scoring PG and that he has a good shot? Besides Bayless has played significantly less minutes, he wasnt given the reins like Parker was. When he's received time though he's performed. Parker is better but its really not a fair comparison either way.

Parker converts. His shooting % tells us that. Bayless has a shooting %. So he doesn't convert not matter how many minutes he gets.

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No, he was answering a question that was asked.

His answer was not directed to the Spurs.

If he answered the question this way: "I will be gone next season," then you can say he said he will be gone next season.

Did he say that?

He said he was looking forward to his next career with another team, and that he didn't want an extension. If you're correct and Tony Parker possesses no media-awareness and just spouts out truths when there's a microphone in his face, then he's gone next season.

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Let's trade away our best trade chip for an aging, egotistical PG; a mediocre, egotistical SG; and a guy who shoots 41% from the floor and averaged under 2.5 assists per game

And to do so BEFORE said trade chip has a shot at his contract year, which could be huge for both his trade value and the team might not be wise.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Miller's game has never been about speed, he's a pass-first PG that manages games extremely well. Obviously he isnt in his prime but he also isnt suddenly going to fall of a cliff, he can fill in for a year or two while Bayless develops.

Miller can't defend, can't shoot, and his assist numbers are tanking on a team where half the time all he has to do it pass it to Roy or Aldridge for a jumper.

In short, he sucks.

Hey that sounds just like a guy named Tony Paker who's a scoring PG and doesnt really shoot the ball very well.

You just showed you don't know what you're talking about.

Portland being so deep along with injuries probably has something to do with that. Batum aka Pippen 2.0 whom Spurs fans are in love with doesnt even start if Im not mistaken...I simply said he's capable of starting though. Something you really cant deny.

You also can't deny that a 35 year old point guard who can't play D and can't shoot is a horrible guy to come into SA and be the starting point if you care about winning any more in the Duncan era.

[FkLA]

Parker converts. His shooting % tells us that. Bayless has a shooting %. So he doesn't convert not matter how many minutes he gets.

17 mpg, practically as a rookie since he rarely saw the court his first year...Parker shot 42% his rookie year as starter getting big minutes. Give Bayless some time. In the playoffs, playing regular minutes (28 mpg), two games starting because of Roy's injuries:

13.5 ppg, 4 apg, 3 rpg, 43% FG, 40% 3pt

The kid has a bright future.