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Whoops, don't let facts get in the way, there.
This year he shot 39 percent in the regular season, and 37 percent in the playoffs, 46 percent against Phoenix. What standards did he fail to meet if all you care about is his three point shooting?
Whoops, don't let facts get in the way, there.
Horry averaged 17 mpg as a Spur, except for his last season. That's just 3 mins less than Bonner.
And lol @ not being the primary post defender at any time... Between him and Oberto covered the top bigs on the other teams alll the way to the 4th quarter, when Timmy usually took over.
But more importantly, he was the big closing games right next to Tim. For every 2006 reference you throw, I can throw a 2005 finals reference right back at you. Or even 2007...
This is not debatable. Horry was not Jordan, but he was miles and bounds above a guy like Bonner.
lol, well Robert came to us a little old. But we had Oberto then to play against Shaq, or even Tim in the last few seasons.
He shot 31% for the series against Dallas, and while you want to point out how good he was against Phoenix, his numbers are severely skewed. In the last game, he only took 3 shots from downtown (made 2) in 30 minutes of play.
He had a decent game 3, with 4 shots (made 3) in 20 minutes. He was a no show in game 2, 0-3 from downtown in 15 mins. Somebody else can fill in what he looked like in game 1, but I doubt he was anything but average.
And personally, I'm more concerned with the defensive side on the PF position than his 3 point shot. Tim simply isn't the dominating guy on the glass anymore and it's a disservice to play a dud like Bonner next to him.
You should pick a position and stick to it. You suggested that his shooting percentage went way down in the playoffs. When pointed out that it didn't you suddenly switch to the fact that he shouldn't be playing post defense which is what I've been saying all along.
By the way, Nazr and Duncan were the post defenders in 05, and Oberto and Elson got minutes at center in 07. Check your facts before spouting off. Horry was a great role player, but let's be clear on what he was and what he wasn't if we're going to ask someone else to step into that role.
So it's been established that Bonner is not Horry. Cool.
Bonner, at least, can knock down 3s in the regular season at a high rate and help you win some games as a reserve big. I didn't want Bonner back, but I can understand why the Spurs might want him back on a relatively small contract and I'm too old to care much more about this. Late.
Agreed with MB. Basically instead of comparing him to Horry we should be comparing him to Finley.
Bonner should play ten to twelve minutes per game when the matchups favor it, and he should get a few three point attempts, and his minutes can be managed based on how he's shooting. It's nice knowing that he can play servicable defense in a pinch and that he won't just immediately allow the other team to go off like Finley did.
His 3 point shooting was indeed below average and so was his +/-. It's a fact. You want to cherrypick on the fact that he had two games where he averaged 66% and 75% which actually have to do with the fact that he was too chicken to take more shots.
I'm gonna put it third grader terms, so even you can understand: In 10 playoffs games, he shot under 40% in 8 of them, and over in only 2 of them.
And BTW, he's playing PF. Ofcourse he's going to be tasked with defending the post. What other PF we ever had that didn't guard the post?
lol, who was closing the Pistons in game 5 in the NBA Finals in Detroit? Nazr?
I'll give you that Oberto took the reigns of the position in 2007, however Horry was still serviceable. This is against the Cavs that year:
He's going to be here for 4 more seasons, and I can't do other than hope he doesn't get the minutes and about it over here, so gimmie a goddamn break....
When I listed his shooting percentages from basketball-reference.com, there's no cherry-picking involved. Bonner shot his average for the playoffs. You can't say that he didn't.
Bonner was a center while he was starting and when he was the first big off the bench, and he was defending the other team's best post player for long stretches. Horry was NEVER asked to do that, and we've made it pretty clear that Horry was a far better player than Bonner.
At no time was Bonner treated like a three point shooting role-player. We've established that he can't do the things that Robert Horry did and he's being asked to do way more. That's why so many people were excited by Pop Mensah Bonsu on the Spurs.
Again, since the reality is that he's here, he needs to be Jaren Jackson for a while to see how he does. He should never be on the floor long enough to hurt the team. A three point specialist should come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them. Rinse and repeat.
He shouldn't have that much impact on the game. At worst he should be Roger Mason collecting a check and missing a couple of shots here and there. The fact that he's got so many people complaining is yet another indication of how poorly he's been utilized.He's going to be here for 4 more seasons, and I can't do other than hope he doesn't get the minutes and about it over here, so gimmie a goddamn break....
If you're expecting Bonner to equal Horry's greatest single playoff performance of his career, I'd say you're setting the bar a tad high for Matty.
good post from 48minof
Buford and Popovich could solve the economy if so inclined
Jump to Comments Next summer, when the league is in the midst of a lockout and we struggle to find topics to write about, there should be a wealth of information to look back on from this summer as to why the NBA is in such dire financial difficulties.
Cap space may have been in abundance, but common sense has been a rare commodity among general managers. David Kahn appears poised to add another point guard. The Knicks are open to the possibility of another run with Isiah Thomas.
But rather than dedicate what could be an endless number of words towards questioning offseason moves, here is a list of a few big men and how their salaries stack up to the reported 3 years, $11 million the Spurs signed Splitter for. (source for salaries: Yahoo Sports):
Channing Frye 5 years, $30 million
Drew Gooden 5 years, $32 million
Brendan Haywood 6 years, $55 million
Amir Johnson 5 years, $32 million
David Lee 6 years, $80 million
Darko Milicic 4 years, $20 million
Jermaine O’Neal 2 years, $12 million
Johan Petro 3 years, $10 million
Nikola Pekovic 3 years, $13 million
Tyrus Thomas 5 years, $50 million
Hakim Warrick 4 years, $18 millionThe San Antonio Spurs just signed the best big man in Europe for Johan freaking Petro money. For Matt Bonner money. It’s official, Popovich and Buford have that Jedi mind trick down. I’m convinced if they ran for office they would be able to solve the economy simply by convincing debt collectors to take less money.
But in defense of President Obama, he doesn’t have Tim Duncan to make it all work. And Popovich and Buford didn’t have to step in and replace Isiah Thomas in the front office.
DittoHe's going to be here for 4 more seasons, and I can't do other than hope he doesn't get the minutes and about it over here, so gimmie a goddamn break....
What about the wide open shots that he passed up - giving the ball back to Parker when the shot clock is winding down?
I wish he could "come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them" (ala Steve Kerr) but he can't. He needs to play which will take away minutes from Splitter and Blair. We won't go into getting the money and years that he did - I'm sure Steve Kerr didn't get that and he played that role to a tee plus mentoring.
If you're telling me we play Bonner at SF, and we have two legitimate bigs defending the paint, then I have no problem with that. But that's not how we play, and that's what my biggest beef is (which coincidentally is not necessarily with Bonner, but with Pop really).
If he can't play PF in this league, then stop playing him in the PF position. This isn't rocket science.
He played 30 minutes in an elimination game. I concur he shouldn't have as much impact, but he does. It's not really his fault, but it has gotten to the point where if he's here it looks like he's going to play, so I really want him out of here.
Pretty much agreed on all points. I think he can play PF, but he's not a starter, and he's not a guy you should be putting on the other team's best big because you're afraid to put Duncan on him. I've been on the Bonner as a 3 in a big lineup train for a while, but it won't happen.
I think Bonner's useless to the Spurs at this point, partially because of Bonner, but mostly because of the way he's used. If there's any value to be gotten out of him it's as a potiential 15 points in 8 minutes guy every few games like Finley was.
Agreed. I don't like him nearly as much as it sounds like I do.
Oh well, we'll re-edit this rant 4 seasons from now, when he's 34 and he gets a Finley-like deal for 2 more seasons...
splitter still has to prove he's better than petro. i like the signing though. cheap, high reward, and have splitter locked up for 3 years.
Bonner is not a 3..... Bonner is not a 3. Just letting pretty much everyone know that defending the 3 brings out the main problem bonner has far mor than defending in the post does. That is he simply doesn't have the speed to stay with more athletic players. He doesn't have the size and speed to stay with the top power forwards and centers either but those guys also burn up everyone but other top power forwards and centers. Bonner is a not particularly large power-forward who has a pretty good 3 point shot and adequate defense. He also hustles so he gets decent rebounds for his position.
I'm not sure what anyone is thinking saying he can guard the small forward spot. Its not the starting power forwards of the world that bonner is asked to guard anyways but the JJ Hicksons and Glen Davises.
I don't have a problem with Bonner coming back. During the regular season he would be great and burning minutes so Timmy can rest as well as helping win some games. In the playoffs this year I don't expect to see much of him with Blair no longer a rookie and the addition of Splitter. Its up to Blair to expand his game to slide over to PF to prevent more of Bonner than needed.
With shot blockers behind him, he doesn't have to shut down the more athletic threes. In fact, defense should never be part of the equation. As a big three point shooter, he's there to create a mismatch and get quick points in spot minutes. You can cross match him with fours depending on the matchups, but the whole point is to maximize his plus minus when he's on the floor, simple as that.
And if he'd been asked to guard the backups all this time, people wouldn't hate him so much.
its official Bonner got $ 16 m for 4 years ( $ 4 M a year compared to Splitter's $ 3.3)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s..._98386754.html
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