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  1. #51
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    I agree totally... But as the roster sits, right now, Big Z is the starting center (assuming the trade is finalized)...
    Im sure they'll find someone who can start at C. Because Big Zs mileage is big and hes not as good as he once was, so he cant really step up to the bigs in Boston, LA and Orlando.

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    Veteran JoeTait75's Avatar
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    Big Z has been holding LeBron back for 6 years. He finally gets that proverbial monkey off his back... just to have that ogre follow him to Miami...
    If LeBron didn't want Z in Miami, Z wouldn't be in Miami.

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    Center by platoon, maybe.

    Joel Anthony, Big Z, Magloire?

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    If LeBron didn't want Z in Miami, Z wouldn't be in Miami.
    Ok, so Big Z is LeBron's friend. He isn't a bad guy. He is just clashing with LeBron's style...

    Often players don't know whats best for themselves. A strong GM has to step in and separate players some times. Dantley and Isiah. Nash and Dirk.

    Big Z is no Nash. He is no Dantley. He was a very good center that would have benefited from a team WITHOUT a fast break centric star... He should never have been with LeBron.

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    Ok, so Big Z is LeBron's friend. He isn't a bad guy. He is just clashing with LeBron's style...
    Tell LeBron that. LeBron was one of the guys pushing hardest for Z to re-sign with the Cavaliers in 2005. LeBron has always liked big men who can shoot off the drive-and-kick. He's always been one of Z's biggest boosters.

    And the Heat need some kind of size. IIRC Bosh doesn't want to play center down there.

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    This is one of the funniest moments in NBA history.. Cleveland LOL..they just lost arguably the most popular Cav of all-time to their most hated enemy LOL..you can't write this ..

    This is what Cleveland deserves though..this speaks volumes on their organization, and it speaks volumes on Lebron's character, that a guy like Z would leave his home and go join King..

    As for basketball-wise, it's an OK signing..Z obviously won't and shouldn't start, he will be a situational big man off the bench, which he can still do, playing 10 MPG or so..

    This signing was strictly for Lebron to get Z a ring IMO..he'll contribute, but Lebron obviously cares for Ilgauskas and wants to see him win the big one..Miami is pretty much a guaranteed le, barring injuries, so good move for both sides..

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    Tell LeBron that. LeBron was one of the guys pushing hardest for Z to re-sign with the Cavaliers in 2005. LeBron has always liked big men who can shoot off the drive-and-kick. He's always been one of Z's biggest boosters.

    And the Heat need some kind of size. IIRC Bosh doesn't want to play center down there.
    Again, since you seem to have missed my point: They didn't need Z to get LeBron. It wasn't that kind of situation.

    My point is that, as a player, LeBron doesn't know whats good for himself. He is a player. Not a coach. Not a GM. Just because LeBron wants him doesn't mean that LeBron's game is served by playing with him. It just means LeBron likes playing with him. A meaningless metric.

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    Veteran JoeTait75's Avatar
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    Again, since you seem to have missed my point: They didn't need Z to get LeBron. It wasn't that kind of situation.

    My point is that, as a player, LeBron doesn't know whats good for himself. He is a player. Not a coach. Not a GM. Just because LeBron wants him doesn't mean that LeBron's game is served by playing with him. It just means LeBron likes playing with him. A meaningless metric.
    I do get your point. But no disrespect, it doesn't matter. There was only one organization that was willing to tell LeBron what he needed, not what he wanted. But LeBron didn't want to go to Chicago.

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    I do get your point. But no disrespect, it doesn't matter. There was only one organization that was willing to tell LeBron what he needed, not what he wanted. But LeBron didn't want to go to Chicago.
    I understand that, but unless there was some kind of under the table 'If you want me, take Z' than this signing is disheartening. It appears, at least from a fans' standpoint, that Bosh, Wade, and Bron decided to be together regardless, and Miami was the only team who could make that happen, big Z or no big Z...

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    More like Wade to get Lebron and Z a ring. We all know LBJ can't win em and the pressure is just toooo much. Miami keying on offensive players. Lakers keying in on defensive players. If Miami doesn't get a solid defensive big they don't make the final much less win one. We all know defense wins rings.

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    Big Z signed with heat
    via LeBrons twitter

    2 year for 2.8 million.

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    More like Wade to get Lebron and Z a ring. We all know LBJ can't win em and the pressure is just toooo much. Miami keying on offensive players. Lakers keying in on defensive players. If Miami doesn't get a solid defensive big they don't make the final much less win one. We all know defense wins rings.
    Wade couldn't do it be himself either. It took Shaq, Mourning, and some good role players to get it done. Oh and some help from the person with the whistle.

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    LOL cavs

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    He said he'll be back after he wins a ring.

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    Miami is pretty much a guaranteed le, barring injuries, so good move for both sides..
    The 2004 Lakers called, they want their hyperbole back.

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    The 2004 Lakers called, they want their hyperbole back.
    If the 2004 Lakers had Karl Malone and Gary Payton in their primes, they would have easily won the le..

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    I hate people drawing comparisons between the 2004 Lakers and the current Heat. They are NOTHING alike. Kobe and Shaq were feuding, and Shaq was at the tail end of his prime. Kobe was just entering his. And Malone and Payton were way passed theirs. Bosh, James, and Wade are all in their primes right now. Completely different.

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    I hate people drawing comparisons between the 2004 Lakers and the current Heat. They are NOTHING alike. Kobe and Shaq were feuding, and Shaq was at the tail end of his prime. Kobe was just entering his. And Malone and Payton were way passed theirs. Bosh, James, and Wade are all in their primes right now. Completely different.
    Personally, I never compared them team wise. The two teams are completely different. The reason I draw comparisons between them is because every team will want to beat this Heat team like no other, just like everyone wanted to kill that Laker team.

    I'm proud to say that it was that 04 Detroit Piston team that brought down those Lakers.

    I'm hoping some team (because we sure as know Detroit won't do it) will destroy that Heat team. I couldn't stand to see them win.

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    I hate people drawing comparisons between the 2004 Lakers and the current Heat. They are NOTHING alike. Kobe and Shaq were feuding, and Shaq was at the tail end of his prime. Kobe was just entering his. And Malone and Payton were way passed theirs. Bosh, James, and Wade are all in their primes right now. Completely different.
    I agree, it's going to be a nightmare defending them. Most defenses try to take something away from a team, now you have 3 number one options, two among the top 3 or 4 in the league to worry about. Holy Crap....

  20. #70
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    How can they do this under the CBA? Did they get rid of Chalmers?

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    How can they do this under the CBA? Did they get rid of Chalmers?
    You can go over the cap, without penalty, when you need to fill out your empty roster. Signings must be for the veteran minimum (which changes for each player).

  22. #72
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    Good for Big Z…Two year deal…Outstanding…

  23. #73
    none shall pass SomeCallMeTim's Avatar
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    I hate people drawing comparisons between the 2004 Lakers and the current Heat. They are NOTHING alike. Kobe and Shaq were feuding, and Shaq was at the tail end of his prime. Kobe was just entering his. And Malone and Payton were way passed theirs. Bosh, James, and Wade are all in their primes right now. Completely different.
    They are a lot alike. Two of the best players in the NBA together along with a third who was still very valuable (Malone's scoring took a hit in 04 but he was actually more efficient and a much better rebounder -- he gave up shots to Shaq and Kobe).

    Where the comparison breaks down IMO is that the Lakers had a short window -- ended up only being a 1-year experiment. It failed and there was never a chance at redemption.

    The Heats may fail this year, but there's almost zero chance they fail long-term. They'll get les. Probably a bunch.

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