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    We need new markets to take off. it doesnt have to be green tech, but that would be a win-win. we need a silicon valley part two.
    Duh....

    No . problem is, it's too expensive to do business here.
    I think the resistance to this by people like yourself is stifling our economy to its knees
    No. I recognize that borrowing more money and mandating more difficult rules for corporations to follow will stifle this economy more. Not help it.

    The free market does not need a kick start. It needs an environment it can grow in.

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    The economy had not yet reached his moment of crisis, but the imbalances that caused that 2007 credit crunch had been building up for at least four years, and had very little to do with the 2006 midterms.

    (This is more of that correlation=causation stuff you just can't leave alone, WC.)


    Weak!
    Yes, it was on shaky ground. The democrats made it crash.

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    And I am in the upper middle class. I have a B.S. and a Doctorate.
    So let me ask you this.

    Why are so any educated people so damn stupid?

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    So let me ask you this.

    Why are so any educated people so damn stupid?
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    financial innovation, over-leveraging and counter-cyclical monetary policy had something to do with it too. Too much wealth got poured into dodgy financial paper.
    which followed deregulation

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    Duh....

    No . problem is, it's too expensive to do business here.

    No. I recognize that borrowing more money and mandating more difficult rules for corporations to follow will stifle this economy more. Not help it.

    The free market does not need a kick start. It needs an environment it can grow in.
    those days are past. try telling that to a heart patient who needs the paddles. which is what our economy needs.

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    Reading the Panic of 2008 as being precipitated by a crisis of confidence is uncontroversial. What you seem to be confused about is what caused confidence to be shaken.

    (Hint: it wasn't caused by people discouraged about their taxes after the 2006 midterms. That you really seem to think so, I find hilarious.)

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    So let me ask you this.

    Why are so any educated people so damn stupid?
    Why are so many ex military so damn afraid to question the company line? why are they afraid to think for themselves? why is your sole contribution on this board to rehash the same conserv propoganda that I could get on fox news all day every day?

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    those days are past.
    So you believe the government should pick winners and losers.

    Sure you're not a communist?
    try telling that to a heart patient who needs the paddles. which is what our economy needs.
    Bull . Corporations and business are being smothered. What they need is for democrats to take the pillows off their faces.

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    which followed deregulation
    The root supports the trunk and the branches, but is not interchangeable with them. Pointing to the root isn't the whole story. Far from it.

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    Why are so many ex military so damn afraid to question the company line?
    I do no such thing. You should stop making invalid assumptions.
    why are they afraid to think for themselves?
    That's what I would as you?
    why is your sole contribution on this board to rehash the same conserv propoganda that I could get on fox news all day every day?
    Why are you obsessed with Fox news? Maybe many of their points are valid. Maybe you should open your mind, and think outside the box.

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    The root supports the trunk and the branches, but is not interchangeable with them. Pointing to the root isn't the whole story. Far from it.
    Both regulation and deregulation can be right or wrong. Both get abused.

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    So you believe the government should pick winners and losers.

    Sure you're not a communist?
    Bull . Corporations and business are being smothered. What they need is for democrats to take the pillows off their faces.
    just the fact that you began mouthing off about "commies" is enough to dismiss you completely. to resort to slander/more propoganda you learned at fox/namecalling puts your own "shortcomings" on full display

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    just the fact that you began mouthing off about "commies" is enough to dismiss you completely. to resort to slander/more propoganda you learned at fox/namecalling puts your own "shortcomings" on full display
    Look.

    Whether communism, socialism, fascism, whatever...

    They are authoritarian.

    You are an authoritarian, not a libertarian. Where do you fit then? You most certainly believe in control.... don't you?

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    Why are you obsessed with Fox news? Maybe many of their points are valid. Maybe you should open your mind, and think outside the box.
    A Fox News viewer accusing someone else of not opening their mind? These are the type of people who think nearly every U.S. media outlet not owned by Rupert Murdoch has a liberal bias.

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    Look.

    Whether communism, socialism, fascism, whatever...

    They are authoritarian.

    You are an authoritarian, not a libertarian. Where do you fit then? You most certainly believe in control.... don't you?
    enough control to undo the controlling forces we are currently under. yes. then maybe we can move on as a democratic society.

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    A Fox News viewer accusing someone else of not opening their mind? These are the type of people who think nearly every U.S. media outlet not owned by Rupert Murdoch has a liberal bias.
    Idiot.

    I'm not a Fox news viewer, unless you call maybe one a month a viewer.

    ASSume away. Show your true stupidity.

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    Idiot.

    I'm not a Fox news viewer, unless you call maybe one a month a viewer.

    ASSume away. Show your true stupidity.
    Try to make your lies more convincing next time. You're getting caught too easily.

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    Try to make your lies more convincing next time. You're getting caught too easily.
    What lies?

    ASSuming again?

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    enough control to undo the controlling forces we are currently under. yes. then maybe we can move on as a democratic society.
    People like you scare me.

    And once these bureaucrats and politicians have complete control you expect them to relinquish power voluntarily? Thats the kind of people were saying in Germany before they gave the power to Hitler.

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    What is your solution? Taxes and regulations are driving good wage jobs away. We need more tax payers, not tax users. Illegal workers are taking jobs that our people should be working.

    seriously. What is your solution. We have run out of tax payers. Start bleeding them more, and those remaining will flee too.
    Amnesty?

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    That's like saying our airplane is fine even though it's out of gas, because we're still in the air.

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    The idea that any group of people could singehandedly wreck the economy is laughable. It takes a large group of monied interests to pull it off, and a good helping of self-serving.

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    People like you scare me.

    And once these bureaucrats and politicians have complete control you expect them to relinquish power voluntarily? Thats the kind of people were saying in Germany before they gave the power to Hitler.
    they absolutely will not. they never have. unless the people seize control for themselves. which conservatives would honestly hate, because the majority of americans dont adhere to the ideas of the repugs as currently constructed.

    the pendulum swings back and forth, reacting to events as they happen, but THE HARDEST THING, THE MOST IMPOSSIBNLE THING, IS TO MAKE THE PENDULUM STOP IN THE SPOT YOU WANT IT. It wont. and it is for the reason you state CC. but you dont need to be scared of me. Im not involved in the things that have been going on in Washington for the last three decades. and even though these measures get more and more aggressive, people cant be bothered to seize that control.

    get the $$$ out of govt. term limits. dont buy the party lines, because they are built to fix the voters' attention spans like spectators at a tennis match, while your car is being stolen in the parking lot.

    govt should be about the people. but you and WC carry on about COMMUNISM, FASCISM, ETC. little do you realize, if that power emenates from the people it is the IDEAL POWER. And yet you two would still call it fascism, if you didnt agree with the will of the people. this is teh state of republican party.

    On the other hand, if the ultimate power emenates from moneymen with profit as the only agenda, it becomes a tumor. And our country needs chemo.

    stop with the typical conservative faux-posturing CC. you would have a fascist in gov if he were to carry out a plan you agreed with. every conservative would. thats how bush got a reapeat performance in 04.

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    The idea that any group of people could singehandedly wreck the economy is laughable. It takes a large group of monied interests to pull it off, and a good helping of self-serving.
    you underestimate how much influence lies in that top .7 percent, as opposed to the bottom 99.3.

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