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Wait for February and see who is available...
In the meantime you go along with the current plan, get Jones or Butler or whoever, and play Hairston in the wing...
My point exactly.
Jefferson is the best option clearly.
Wait for February and see who is available...
In the meantime you go along with the current plan, get Jones or Butler or whoever, and play Hairston in the wing...
Rj is the best option if you don't have to sign him up on a 5 year deal, or if he wants more than what the Spurs are willing to pay for him (ie: puts them over the tax line).
Jefferson's defense is too weak to be the player the Spurs need him to be. If the Spurs are in the WC finals against the Lakers next year do you really want RJ defending Kobe?
And BTW the argument here was 'if somebody outbids the Spurs' for him...
Agreed...but based on the lack of interest, it appears the Spurs will be able to limit the number of years and the overall salary on the contract. I don't see anyone offering a 5yr contract at this point.
Let's hope that remains the case.
By then half the season is done.
6-7 million a year is great value for Jefferson, especially with his capable ceiling being an all around versatile player, who has the ability to stretch the floor like he's done for several years outside the last 4 months of last season.
If Jefferson gets a 5th year it will be a team option, which is essentially a 4 year deal. Worse case scenario, his 6-7 million dollar salary is very tradeable compared to what other SF's with similar (not identical) skills are being paid (Deng, Igoudala, Butler).
Jefferson needs to be resigned.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs are offering 3 years at $6m each, with a 4th being a team option. Again, if nobody really wants him, they're not going to outbid themselves. Which would explain the delay too, since he opted out of $15m to be offered $18m guaranteed.
And really, in an offseason when you have a lot of teams with cap room and they don't even want to look at him, what trade value are you exactly talking about?
I really have no problem with him coming back. But, in the scenario that was being talked about,, some other team outbids the Spurs, I'm sure they'll be happy to take a TE and look ahead.
The horrible defensive notion on Jefferson is vastly over exaggerated by the masses of yes men on this site. Jefferson by no means is an all-NBA defender(he lacks the Bowen-like foot speed and lateral quickness; but his defense off the ball and on the ball defense vs. bigger wings (Pierce, Melo, ect. is better than average). He is not a horrible defender and he showed significant progress after the All-Star break especially.
Please name me all the available players able to defend Kobe. (Realistically) Heck name me 3 players in the whole league that are able to guard Kobe one on one?
I swear half of the masses act like Bowen is available. Bowen isn't walking through that door. Stopping Kobe is going to have to be because of team defense, like the Celtics for instance. (Just in case you to throw out your Tony Allen card; the guy only played 14 minutes out of 48 per game in the Finals)...Meaning....
Team defense will have to and can win the battle vs. Kobe and it will have to be the case again whether Jefferson is here or not.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 07-14-2010 at 11:53 PM.
Ah, ignorance is bliss. RJ was the best #4 option the Spurs have had in the Tim Duncan era in terms of scoring average. He also rebounded better than any small forward in the Duncan era besides Hedo Turkolu. His defense improved during the last part of the season and he has worked with Pop during the off season, not to mention the "whole year in the Spurs system" under his belt. He shot his career average from the field and was 3% below his career average from 3 point distance. Would I rather have Bowen in his prime-sure. But to jump on this "RJ didn't fit with the Spurs" mantra is simply ignoring the facts. Even though the Spurs might not have played the best type of offense for RJ he managed to adjust adequately for a #4 OPTION! Geez, what do you people expect from a #4 option, 20 points a game? Guess what. Then he's a #1 or #2 option!!!!
If another team outbids the Spurs we likely don't get the TE. Then we are screwed. Geez...
Well, I said IF they get a trade exception, not that it's guaranteed that they will...If another team outbids the Spurs we likely don't get the TE. Then we are screwed. Geez...
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Contrary to some reports, Richard Jefferson does not have any kind of deal in place with Spurs to return for more years at lesser salary
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I'm told Jefferson is open to returning to SA but his first priority is a long term deal at the best annual salary he can get.
I guess the 'Congrats Woj' was a bit premature...
If you look at the last time the spurs/lakers played---it was in LA and the spurs pulled off a convincing one-sided win...it appeared that Pop had figured out a few things that worked really well;
#1) believe it or not (re-watch the game) ---Bonner was put on Artest and he more than held his own---in fact he pretty much took Artest out of the game...
#2) RJ guarded Odumb and he dominated Odumb on defense and on offense
#3) Kobe was bothered by Bogans and Manu---but more by the team defense
this was a game the lakers really wanted and the spurs had a 20 point lead at one time and looked like they were going to --at least---give the lakers a good run in the playoffs....
until Phoenix proved to be a matchup nighmare and G.Hill wet the bed against Nash...
Bynum missed that game...
Even though Bynum did not play---the spurs had a 20 point lead and the spurs had earlier lost to a lakers team minus kobe---so it was still a great win and a convincing one...
It was a great win and this was while Manu was peaking... but you can't pretend this would have played out the same in the playoffs, especially with one of their 7 footers missing...
In the two games be beat the Lakers last season they were missing either Gasol or Bynum.
Told ya. I knew this all along. Everyone just assumed RJ was coming back, but to me it made no sense given that he was mostly a poor fit for us. A decent stretch run in the regular season, and a couple of nice playoff games does not erase the fact he's a poor fit.
He could still return, but if he does i suspect it will be yet another "how the did they do that?" contract like Splitter's. Personally, I hope he doesn't come back, we sign Butler, and let the youth play.
I posted some similar takes and they jumped on me like a dumbass newbie who doesn't realize how great Jefferson is.
Please let me know where I tried to get you to realize the "greatness" of Jefferson in this post...
Actually you said that Jefferson blows and nobody argued.
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