I think a little time has passed and you have forgotten what it is like watching RJ. Do you really want another 3-4 years of that? Come on. I would rather watch Hairston or Anderson or some other young player try and fail than watch RJ and his crap. He is just such a soft player with no heart. The way he quit even trying to shoot 3 ptrs, and this is a guy who has shot quite a few over the years, as the season went on. It was like he just got too scared. You don't want a player like that on the Spurs. The Spurs!!!
Please let me know where I tried to get you to realize the "greatness" of Jefferson in this post...
That pretty much sums it up. Eating that one year of his contract was a decent enough gamble, and if they walk away from it without having to pay him it's probably not the end of the world. Maybe you take a chance on him at a reduced rate like you suggest above and take the same sort of gamble that he'll improve as his comfort level rises. A little more consistency from RJ at a pretty cheap contract makes him an attractive option for the vet everyone seems to think the Spurs need.
It's nice when you've grown up and can see through the hype to the way the world really works, isn't it?
I enjoy ST a lot more now that I ignore the chaff and concentrate on the wheat. There is so much bull flying around the internet in general (and ST is no exception) that it is far better to do your own research and trust your own analysis/instincts, and the analysis/instincts of those you respect (like some of the good posters here) than to believe what the masses trot out in their often unfounded hopefulness and 'faith' that things will happen they way they want them to.
The moment RJ opted out the entire Spurs franchise high-fived each other. He was worth a shot last year, but it didn't work out, and he clearly doesn't fit the team or the system, so the opt-out was an easy solution to the Spurs' problem of what to do with him. If he re-signs for cheap, great, if he can be S&Ted, great, if he leaves with no compensation it's no great issue... as long as we sign Butler!
I agree with most of what you've said, but how does signing Butler make the Spurs a better team than signing RJ or signing RJ AND Butler for that matter?It's nice when you've grown up and can see through the hype to the way the world really works, isn't it?
I enjoy ST a lot more now that I ignore the chaff and concentrate on the wheat. There is so much bull flying around the internet in general (and ST is no exception) that it is far better to do your own research and trust your own analysis/instincts, and the analysis/instincts of those you respect (like some of the good posters here) than to believe what the masses trot out in their often unfounded hopefulness and 'faith' that things will happen they way they want them to.
The moment RJ opted out the entire Spurs franchise high-fived each other. He was worth a shot last year, but it didn't work out, and he clearly doesn't fit the team or the system, so the opt-out was an easy solution to the Spurs' problem of what to do with him. If he re-signs for cheap, great, if he can be S&Ted, great, if he leaves with no compensation it's no great issue... as long as we sign Butler!
I'm a bit leery of just going in with Butler. The Spurs need someone who guards opposing scorers with a bit of tenacity and I don't see that in Butler yet, then again I didn't see that in RJ as well. Perhaps having them fight like dogs in practice will instill that needed tenacity. I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob.
True, I think the best case scenario would be the Spurs re-signing RJ to a more suitable contract and signing Butler, James Jones or whoever else Pop thinks might help. Neither RJ, nor any of these free agents are going to provide Bowen-esque defense, people have been too spoiled and expect that we'd get a defensive stopper similar to Bowen.I'm a bit leery of just going in with Butler. The Spurs need someone who guards opposing scorers with a bit of tenacity and I don't see that in Butler yet, then again I didn't see that in RJ as well. Perhaps having them fight like dogs in practice will instill that needed tenacity. I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob.
I think RJ's defense is greatly underestimated and Hairston's or eventually Butler's or JJ's is highly overestimated. It's true that RJ wasn't very good on D last year, certainly not for that contract,but to expect that a LLE wing would provide much better defense or would be a better overall player in the Spurs system is a bit naive IMO.
It's looking like Butler's gonna go to the Celtics. Do the Spurs even have enough to pay him? He's coming off a pretty good season.
I wonder how the Celtics pay him?I thought they used their MLE for O'Neal!? Maybe I got that confused...
McDonald on twitter:
JMcDonald_SAEN
FWIW, source close to the process sets odds of Jefferson returning to SA at 95 percent. #spurs
http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/18589795030
He could be taking their LLE like Maquies Daniels did last year..
Yeah, but the Spurs could give him a better contract with the remainder of the MLE, so if he goes to the Celtics it won't be about the money. I also hope the Spurs could land Butler/ Barnes or Jones.
I wonder if Jefferson really wants to play here. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Celts don't have the LLE this year because they used it last year on Daniels. The only way for the Celts to offer more than the vet min to Butler would be to work out a S&T with the Clippers.
Awesome!!! I know I am in the minority when it comes
to Jefferson coming back, but I truly believe if he does (at a resonable price) he will be better than he was last year. I'm not sold on Hairston and IMO ie J is the best possible starter caliber SF on the market right now.
If RJ comes back I think he will have a better understanding of his role and the pressure of being "the missing piece" will be lifted. RJ+ James Jones>>>>>>> James Jones+ Hairston.
I think it is less likely each passing day that Jefferson returns. The Spurs actually pulled Malik Hairston out of the summer league, saying that they like what they see out of him. We got reports saying Spurs are interested in James Jones. I just hope the Spurs can wing a deal using a Jefferson sign and trade, because we are already over the cap so might as well get a trade exception. If the Spurs are lucky, we might get a marginal SF prospect in return.
Can't you use LLE every year like MLE?
No. The LLE is also known as the BAE (Bi-Annual Exception). It is given once every 2 years.
Lots of posters on this board are always so frightened or nervous about what would happen if in-experienced guys like the HAT trio are trusted.I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob.
But wouldn't it be fair to say the for the most part whenever the Spurs have relent and give time and trust to the young players those guys have produced?
Parker delivered. Manu delivered. Jackson delivered when he was freed to play by injuries to Steve Smith and Manu early that season. Blair delivered this past year. Hill delivered when he was finally allowed to play starting after the 09 Dallas series was pretty much over. , Devin Brown had taken the 6th man spot from Barry in 05 until his back injury. Even Beno had a nice rookie season until the pressure finally got to be too much for him.
In contrast, the biggest failures or at least 'failure to deliver' in the playoffs have been the experienced players, the vets brought in because the Spurs supposedly couldn't afford to groom players through their rough spots.
Turkoglu, experienced and failed in 04. Bonner failing. Mason failing. Steve Smith failing. Udoka failing. Elson failing. Charlie Ward failing. Anthony Carter. Ron Mercer. Rasho failing his way into a trade for a starter to replace him. Van Exel's colossal failure. Damon Stoudamire. Kurt Thomas turned into a trade chip. Most of Finley's 2nd contract. Drew Gooden. Keith Bogans even though he was a vet-min guy. And of course . . . Richard Jefferson.
So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:
Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple
Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfil...malik_hairston
The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a ing travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year.
Manu can't play SF. Malik is also more like SG than a SF. So RJ signing or not we do need a SF. Right now Butler or Barnes would be good. James Jones would be a good choice, but I'd rather see him play from the bench. I also think RJ will be back, so we just need one more SF and we are ready.So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:
Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple
Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfil...malik_hairston
The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a ing travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year.
If the Spurs can get a 3 year deal at the MLE level or lower then I see no reason not to resign Jefferson. Having him come off the bench with Manu would allow him a lot of touches and I really like having a lineup with him and Blair both playing with Manu. This would provide a good amount of bench punch while allowing Tony to play more with the ball in his hands.
I'm not opposed to a four year deal because once the Duncan era is over someone is going to have to be paid on this team and its not going to really matter who it is because we're going to struggle to reach mediocrity but I would prefer a 3 year deal (a four year with a team option is basically a 3 year deal, IMO)
Manu is not a starting small forward*So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:
Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple
Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfil...malik_hairston
The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a ing travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year.
* if you care about winning anything this year
I don't see on this thread any props to RJ for being the stud on our road win on the first round of the playoffs last year...
If he comes back; he should be way more solid for us. Therefore a good shot to beat better teams with him.
4 years 30 million get it done
imagine ginobili at small foward he would get dominated defensivly
No. It is also known as the Bi-Annual exception.
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