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Waiting game was risky but it seems that we waited enough. I think we should offer a 4 years 30M contract to RJ. It's more than wny MLE offer of another team and long enough.
He had no one spoon-feeding him in Milwaukee.
Waiting game was risky but it seems that we waited enough. I think we should offer a 4 years 30M contract to RJ. It's more than wny MLE offer of another team and long enough.
RJ may not have many options at this time but neither do the Spurs. If RJ ends up signing with another team the Spurs will have a huge hole to fill at SF. This team is not a contender without RJ. Spurs just need to pay the man and get this team ready for the season.
That is crazy talk!
Chandler for Jefferson?
Yeah people thought Orlando giving Grant Hill a contract was a good idea too. Hindsight.
Why do you think so?
MLE is 5 years 35 and tones of team can offer it. 4 years 30M is a bargain price for RJ and if you offer less than that money to RJ, he can sign elsewhere.
What will we do in that case? Can you play SF 5in10? Would you like to be our starter SF after RJ leaves?
This can only be great news, and ends in a couple of scenarios:
1. Spurs wait out the market and force RJ to sign a below avg contract
2. By waiting a team that still needs a SF in FA goes after RJ and the Spurs do a sign and trade for something the Spurs want from that team.
3. Spurs get a trade exception for RJ
just remembered this...
RJ is not having a great summer...again"So you figure it out. If you're able to get four years and 40 (million dollars by opting out) from someone, it's like, 'OK, I did lose out on 15 (million dollars). But I'm going to get basically a $25 million extension.' Those are things that you think of at the end of the season.''
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/04/11/s...t-of-contract/
I'm not saying I don't want to resign Jefferson. I just think that price is too high. You first wait to see what other teams offer and than match or raise accordingly, if in fact the spurs want him at all.
I can agree with 1 and 3, but not 2.
If a team is going to sign with RJ, it's not possible that team has something we want at return. We need a decent SF too much and a team who has a decent SF wouldn't sign a contract with RJ.
Yes we can wait until the other teams offers, but we should think MLE as minimum offer to him. Too many teams didn't use their MLE at the moment and one of them can do it.
By the way, i don't think that 4 years 30M is too much for RJ. Come on guys, Bonner just signed 4 years 16M, Frye signed 5 years 30M and Lowry signed 4 years 24M offer sheet(Which is estimated to be matched by Rockets).
And there is a danger, what happens if RJ accepts another teams MLE offer without asking anything to Spurs? We can't handle that case.
Don't force a small into a large hole: all-around dissatisfaction is guaranteed.
What kind of person opts out of a $16M after a disappointing season? he must be pretty dumb, no wonder he could not figured out the Spurs's system.
Are we a contender with RJ?
How many teams left can write a contract bigger than MLE to RJ?
The Clippers.
First of all, he went 5-for-16 against no-names? Not exactly helping his already free-falling stock.
Second, he has only been working out two or three days? I thought RJ and Pop were locked in a gym all summer working on his game
"Figuring things out" doesn't sound like someone who has a sizable offer on the table.
Oh and the "no comment" was pretty damn funny too
To me what was striking wasn't his bad shooting but how gassed he was by his comments.
We all know he is 30 years old and already declining athletically but he couldn't hang with the up and downs of a rec league.
Come on. The wheels might be falling off, that 9 points a game in the playoffs could be the norm from here on out.
Also the Kings and Wizards, I think.
mmmmh the fact that Hairston doesn't play summer league 'cause the f.o. "already knows and like what he can bring" and the fact that Gee is playing good in summer league could be clues that R.J. is coming out of S.A. plans...in favor of a sf that's more a shooter than a slasher (so more a Miller/Butler kind). The abilities of hairtson and Gee are qwuite the same of the ones of R.J. (obviously, for now, at a lower level, expecially considering playing experience) : both are more slashers than shooters.
So, at this point, the F.O. could be inclined to look for a trade excepion, already exckluding to re-sign R.J....if that's true, maybe they should cooperate with R.J. in finding him the best offer possible (and R.J. grateful for this, could compensate asking his "new team" to sign him via sign and trade for giving Spurs cap space to operate with...or a player they think another team could trade feeling R.J. is better suited for their 'laying style....Ariza anyone?).
Wizards COULD use him but they are probably more interested in rebuilding. If they really wanted a vet SF they might have just resigned J. Ho. Also they're probably going try and unload Agent Zero and kick off the rebuilding process.
Kings would be crazy to bring RJ in, they have a crowded front court now with Casspi, Green, Garcia, Udoka (=p), Landry, Thompson, their duo rookies at center and Dalembert.
So all in all I think we have a great shot at low balling RJ lol.
I think there is a pretty logical overall scenario.
first off, this scenario can and did only happen because it's 2010 and NBA faces the big unknown in 2011.
if it was 2009, RJ would decide to play his last year at 16 million and assume that in 2010 he will sign his last long term contract in the MLE region for 4 or 5 years. (which is realistic at 30. a bit like the Marion situation)
this year is totally different. he knows he can take the 16M and play the final year, but there is a good chance he won't get a contract at all in 2011, when a: the lockout happens and the result of the lockout will be a completely new CBA. (with far disadvantageous salary rules for the players). and b: his 2nd year with the Spurs is even worse and so his stock goes farther south. (a realistic risk for him and he knows)
so, what to do? first step, he does the Spurs a favor to opt out. Spurs save a lot of money immediately by lux tax implications alone. the favor from the Spurs is, that they offer him a long term contract, likely exactly full MLE. (5 years/33 million). that's 17 more in guaranteed money that his 2010-11 salary and RJ can't be sure that he gets this 17 million in 2011.
this offer stays on the table and the 2nd part of the deal is, that RJ is looking if he can get a better deal from a team with cap space or a full MLE deal from a team he thinks is a better fit or offers a more prominent role.
(he knows his role with the Spurs won't increase much next season, it will rather go down with Tiago, a development of Hill and Blair and a even possible good performance by Anderson)
but this search takes time, especially considering he isn't a premium FA any more.
maybe they have a deadline agreed like end of July? (would give the Spurs still time to find a replacement if he leaves).
the top FAs have all agreed now, so the right negotiation time for a FA like RJ starts right now.
it sounds strange, but the situation is still a win win plot for both, however it turns out.
if he leaves, the Spurs will have saved a boatload of money. (salary and tax). even by coming out short of a talented wing, this is the better end of the situation. the replacement of RJ (let's guess: a combo of James Jones and James Anderson) might not be much worse.
if he stays, the Spurs have a player, who get pretty much what he is worth. (even a RJ who isn't a perfect fit, he is worth the MLE)
Jefferson get's significantly more guaranteed money and the chance to do even better, if he finds a team that pays more.
Spurs might also likley have offered to agree to any sign and trade, if RJ finds such a team.
bottom line: this scenario will need some more weeks till we learn how it finally turns out.
I just wonder why can average 19+ pts in Bucks uniform. No Kidd or Nash there. And why he suck so much this season.
Because somebody has to score the points on a terrible, depleted team.
This situation is a win-win as far as I'm concerned, and mountainballer's right on with his assessment of the timetable.
I expect RJ to be back on the team at a much better rate but if he's not, I can't see him leaving without a sign-and-trade. He needs the Spurs as much or more than they need him.
And besides, what is Mannix really reporting ... that there's no contract finished? Maybe that RJ hasn't agreed to terms? There's either a MLE-type contract on the table (probably a little more annually) or the Spurs are letting him find his market. And since, again, he needs them as much they need him, I just don't see much if any news being made here. James Anderson doesn't have a contract either!
Last edited by Blackjack; 07-15-2010 at 03:10 AM.
Clippers are near to sign Mc Grady.
Frankly, I thgink that RJ could be perfect for their playing style, and a more reliable and durable option...
If we can work a sign and trade maybe that's the moment to do it...like, for example, a five years starting at 8 miliions and decreasing...(total, 33/35 millions)
an 8 millions trade exception could be more than enough to come back in the market and look for the pieces that could be the best fit for our team...
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