2010 Free Agent: Rasual Butler

[coyotes_geek]

Allen is off the market. Grizzlies got him for 3yrs/$10mil.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, there we go. Spurs need a vet backup 2, IMO.

And, of course, the 3 spot is completely open.

[Bruno]

Good points. Granted, we're hearing rumored interest from the Spurs in Bell which makes it seem like he's their primary target now, but that's only because he's more well known than Butler. Butler would be a nice fit as a backup 3. I'd like Bell + Butler, but that would be hard to pull off.

If Spurs sign RJ, I don't think they should add 2 more vet wing. Signing RJ, Butler and Jefferson would put all the young players (Temple, Hairston, Gee and Anderson) in a situation where it would be almost impossible for them to get playing time. I would rather sign only RJ and Butler and give the young guys some playing time to develop their game.

And welcome back Marcus.

[RiverwalkParade]

Butler is the answer

[Marcus Bryant]

Whatever championship window the Spurs have will close after next season, unless Splitter makes the transition well, Blair and Hill continue to progress, the team enjoys uncharacteristic health, and they are able to improve their team defense, in particular on the perimeter. Yes, there are quite a few young perimeter players, but I think in order for the wing rotation to improve, it needs to be more veteran than necessarily young.

Starters
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson(?)

Bench
2 Bell (?)
2/3 Anderson
3 Butler(?)

[Bruno]

George Hill also plays significant minutes at the SG spot.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs want to develop their younger players, then they need to bite the bullet and start to rebuild. I don't see Pop having the patience to do so. He seems to only be able to handle one at a time and he is usually merciless with that player. He is good at preparing a team to win championships, not in teaching the game to rookies. There's a lot of Larry Brown in Pop's coaching methods and style. It takes a certain kind of player to respond to Pop's coaching, either a veteran who appreciates Pop's direct no BS style or a rookie who can handle being ridden by a coach day in and day out. Thankfully Parker and Hill now seem to have been able to handle that. Of course, there's always a DeJuan Blair, who so perplexes Pop that he doesn't know what to do with him.

[ChumpDumper]

George Hill also plays significant minutes at the SG spot.

Yeah, I think the SG spot is pretty solid if Anderson plays as advertised. SF is a different story.

[ElNono]

If the Spurs want to develop their younger players, then they need to bite the bullet and start to rebuild. I don't see Pop having the patience to do so. He seems to only be able to handle one at a time and he is usually merciless with that player. He is good at preparing a team to win championships, not in teaching the game to rookies. There's a lot of Larry Brown in Pop's coaching methods and style. It takes a certain kind of player to respond to Pop's coaching, either a veteran who appreciates Pop's direct no BS style or a rookie who can handle being ridden by a coach day in and day out. Thankfully Parker and Hill now seem to have been able to handle that. Of course, there's always a DeJuan Blair, who so perplexes Pop that he doesn't know what to do with him.

Couldn't agree more. I'm even unsure how much patience Pop will have with Splitter this season considering he will make mistakes.

[siraulo23]

[DesignatedT]

those are some nice vids.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think Butler is the most likely player to sign with Spurs:
- Josh Howard is a complicate case with his at ude and his injury.
- Raja Bell should go to a contender.
- Ronnie Brewer could be too expensive and really lack of a jump shot.
- Matt Barnes is crazy.
- James Jones should stay in Miami.

Butler woudl be a solid addition. Spurs can offer him a $7.8M/3 years contract which could be enough to get him.

A bit late on the bandwagon, aren't you?

I'm surprised we haven't locked him up already. I watched a fair bit of him over the last couple of years, and while he's nothing special, he plays good D and can hit the 3, which fills our need. Get him on board!

[ducks]

bell rumors
could help with the deal with bulter

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Of course, there's always a DeJuan Blair, who so perplexes Pop that he doesn't know what to do with him.

I think this is deserving of it's own thread, really but since you said it here I'll reply with my two cents...


The bottom line is that DeJuan Blair is the first out-of-the-gates lottery-level pick that the Spurs have had since Tim Duncan. Parker did not play out of the gates as a lottery-lock steal. He showed MAD promise, I will never forget, but not like a bunch of teams were fools. Same for Ginobili (although he is the most special of cases, and probably in a class of his own when it comes to rookies to this day).


DeJuan is obviously a lottery pick. He oozes talent from his pores. He's ing bad ass. We got him in the second ing round. I think this sheer contrast in pick position versus true value has even slapped Pop in the face and made him treat DeJuan differently.

The real question is whether or not Pop and the Spurs medical staff can properly let him come into his own as the new Malik Rose.

[siraulo23]

btw has there been any report that says spurs are interested in rasual butler?

[ElNono]

btw has there been any report that says spurs are interested in rasual butler?

No, and that's normally good news.

[8FOR!3]

I'm still not convinced that the Spurs are even interested in this guy, but nonetheless, you can count me in on the Rasual Butler bandwagon.

[Darkwaters]

I started the Rasual Butler bandwagon and I stand by it. Sign him up!

[FeZZy]

Is he the new target?

[mountainballer]

question is not, does he fit. question is, why would a player, who is just coming of his 2 best career seasons take a 50% pay cut to play a minor role on a team, that isn't even considered a contender?
IMO there is a reason why we didn't hear anything about interest from the Spurs. (other than Bell and Jones, who did receive offers from the Spurs)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I started the Rasual Butler bandwagon and I stand by it. Sign him up!

I dispute that, but I'm not going to be an arsehole about it... :

question is not, does he fit. question is, why would a player, who is just coming of his 2 best career seasons take a 50% pay cut to play a minor role on a team, that isn't even considered a contender?
IMO there is a reason why we didn't hear anything about interest from the Spurs. (other than Bell and Jones, who did receive offers from the Spurs)

True. Maybe he wants a place where he has an outside chance to win, and an organisation that will treat him well? Maybe he's 31 and no-one wants to offer him more than 2 years? Maybe we should offer him 4 years?

You're probably right that he'll sign for more elsewhere, but I'll keep hoping because I think he'd fill the SF hole beautifully whilst not commanding so much money that Pop would have to play him, which means the youth will get some blooding.

[mountainballer]

True. Maybe he wants a place where he has an outside chance to win, and an organisation that will treat him well? Maybe he's 31 and no-one wants to offer him more than 2 years? Maybe we should offer him 4 years?

You're probably right that he'll sign for more elsewhere, but I'll keep hoping because I think he'd fill the SF hole beautifully whilst not commanding so much money that Pop would have to play him, which means the youth will get some blooding.

I agree that if the Spurs offer a 3rd or even 4th year, they might come closer. I doubt they do. I can't see them hurt their flexibility for the 2012 summer by signing Butler. (ok, they signed Bonner fore more years, so the point is a bit shaky)
however, Butler is now the very last free agent on the market from the pool of somehow realistic and fitting players. let's see what happens.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I agree that if the Spurs offer a 3rd or even 4th year, they might come closer. I doubt they do. I can't see them hurt their flexibility for the 2012 summer by signing Butler. (ok, they signed Bonner fore more years, so the point is a bit shaky)
however, Butler is now the very last free agent on the market from the pool of somehow realistic and fitting players. let's see what happens.

For 2.3mil, I'm not too worried about cap flexibility. That is a contract that can be moved easily if necessary, because at the very least Butler is a capable shooter who can play 20mins a night, and he'll be able to do that for a few years yet.

I think I'd throw 3/4 years at him and see if he bites.

[elemento]

I don't see him coming for the money the we can offer.

[kobyz]

if money is problam to sign him we could do sign and trade using the unguaranteed contracts we have and also threw a second round pick, this wey we could get closer to MLE money!