Manu Ginobli supports gay marriage

[MoSpur]

So wait...maybe its not even the same Manu who supports gay marriage. It could be someone totally different.

[lefty]

So wait...maybe its not even the same Manu who supports gay marriage. It could be someone totally different.

Wait......




We have another Manu ????

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I could care less what Manu is in support of. All I care about is whether he's tearing it up on the court in the playoffs.

This.

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[hater]

You're a ing idiot.

Seems like this is a very sensitive subject to you. not that there's anything wrong with it...

[MoSpur]

I say move this thread to the Political Forum since its Ginobli and not Ginobili.

[Kermit]

Typical Response to this situation:

Person who agrees with Manu: "That's so awesome! Way to go Manu! I totally agree."

Person who disagrees with Manu: "Why do celebrities feel the need to expound on this ? No one cares what they think!"

Same person who disagrees with Manu responding to a quote from some other celebrity who agrees with their views: "That's so awesome! Way to go! I totally agree."

[in2deep]

It would be interesting to get Manu's feedback on the subject AFTER we resign RJ

[Brazil]

[it's me]

There are no difference with kids being raised with gay parents or heterosexual parents.

No difference.

Sexual Orientation. A number of investigators have also studied a third component of sexual iden y, sexual orientation (Bailey, Bobrow, Wolfe, & Mickach, 1995; Bozett, 1980, 1987, 1989; Gottman, 1990; Golombok & Tasker, 1996; Green, 1978; Huggins, 1989; Miller, 1979; Paul, 1986; Rees, 1979; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). In all studies, the great majority of offspring of both lesbian mothers and gay fathers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of sexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents. For instance, Huggins (1989) interviewed 36 adolescents, half of whom had lesbian mothers and half of whom had heterosexual mothers. No children of lesbian mothers identified themselves as lesbian or gay, but one child of a heterosexual mother did; this difference was not statistically significant. In another study, Bailey and his colleagues (1995) studied adult sons of gay fathers and found more than 90% of the sons to be heterosexual.

Golombok and Tasker (1996, 1997) studied 25 young adults reared by divorced lesbian mothers and 21 young adults reared by divorced heterosexual mothers. They reported that offspring of lesbian mothers were no more likely than those of heterosexual mothers to describe themselves as feeling attracted to same-sex sexual partners. If they were attracted in this way, however, young adults with lesbian mothers were more likely to report that they would consider entering into a same-sex sexual relationship, and they were more likely to have actually participated in such a relationship. They were not, however, more likely to identify themselves as non-heterosexual (i.e., as lesbian, gay, or bisexual). These results were based on a small sample, and they must be interpreted with caution. At the same time, the study is the first to follow children of divorced lesbian mothers into adulthood, and it offers a detailed and careful examination of important issues.

LOL.... keep reading.........

"""""""""""""Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of sexuality?
It is a well-do ented fact that many many sexuals were sexually abused when young. (This paper will conclude with a list of some books which support that statement.)
In other words, there is an abundance of evidence that many many sexuals were born heterosexual but were disoriented by sexual abuse.

Indeed, there are many more cases of sexual abuse than there are cases of sexuality. As one large study discussed in a 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found, on average 12.8% of women and 4.3% of men recall being sexually abused.1 (How many do not recall it?)

According to Dr. James E. Soukup, author of a book which deals with several subjects including sexual abuse: "In one national study in 1985, 27 percent of the females interviewed and 16 percent of the males reported to have been sexually abused as children. Other studies indicate that these figures are too low. It is suggested that eighty percent of all sexual abuse is not reported."2

The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97: "As many as one in five boys is sexually abused....It [also] concluded that sexual abuse of boys is underreported and undertreated....Earlier studies have shown that 25 percent to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused."3

(According to a JAMA review of literature re the sexual abuse of boys, only 10%-33% of male abuse victims ever tell anyone about that abuse.4 The review also found that: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused."5 And regarding female abuse victims, one study found that 38% of adult women ages 18-31 who were sexually abused when young [between ages 10 months to 12 years] did not remember that they were sexually abused when young.6)

Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is sexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of sexuality.

Too, there currently is no definitive proof that anyone is born sexual. Several studies by sexual researchers claimed to find some possible biological bases for sexuality. But other scientists easily pointed out the flaws in those studies, and the results of those studies have yet to be replicated by others. In the words of pro- sexual Newsweek magazine: "In the early '90s, three highly publicized studies seemed to suggest that sexuality's roots were genetic....More than five years later the data have never been replicated."7 (This fact has been almost totally ignored by the biased, untrustworthy, dominant liberal media.) And in the May/June 2008 issue of Psychology Today we have this: "No one has yet identified a particular gay gene....There is no all-inclusive explanation for the variation in sexual orientation, at least none supported by actual evidence....[T]here are many different mechanisms [involving both nature and nurture], not a single one, for producing sexuality."8

(And even if there ever was a " sexual gene," since most if not all sexuals do not sire offspring, one would think that sexual genes would disappear or die out.)

So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that sexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are sexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to sexuals to help them cope with their problems.

Those who push the born- sexual line are effectively ignoring the sexual abuse of children. What kind of "people" want to let pedophiles get away with sexually abusing little kids?

(If sexual abuse happens to a one-year or two-year old child, he or she may not remember it later in life because it happened at such a young age. However, the trauma can govern the rest of the victim's life. Some sexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.)

Skilled psychologists and psychiatrists like Masters and Johnson, Charles Socarides, Joseph Nicolosi, Benjamin Kaufman, Elizabeth Moberly, Jeffrey Satinover, and Gerard van den Aardweg, have had much success changing sexuals into heterosexuals. (They have been successful because most if not all sexuals were probably born heterosexual.)

Dr. Reuben Fine, Director of the New York Center for Psychoanalytic Training: "It is paradoxical that even though the politically active sexual group[s] denies the possibility of change, all studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment used....If the sexual patients were motivated, whatever procedure [i.e., treatment] is adopted, a large percentage will give up their sexuality."9

Those who oppose using therapy to change sexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep sexuals locked into sexuality. Those who oppose such therapy do not want sexuals to have a choice, a way out of sexuality. That's un-American, inhumane, intolerant, and meanly oppressive.

In addition, considering all the solid scientific evidence that sexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse (or dysfunctional parents or other negative developmental influences many sexuals experienced), it is clear that those psychiatrists and psychologists who say sexuality should NOT be on the officially approved list of mental illnesses are seemingly incompetent malprac ioners. They appear to be more interested in being "politically correct" than in the truth. Incompetent malprac ioners should have their licenses to ply their professions revoked.

(A book written by Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro- sexual psychiatrist, led sexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, explains how the decision to remove sexuality from the officially approved list of mental disorders was based on power politics and intimidation by sexual groups NOT science.)

One last note: sexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And sexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are.10


Footnotes
1. H. MacMillan, "Prevalence of Child Physical and Sexual Abuse in the Community," JAMA, July 9, 1997, p. 131.

2. James E. Soukup, Understanding and Living With People Who Are Mentally Ill (Springfield, IL: Charles C. Thomas Publishers, 1995), p. 104.

3. Associated Press, "Study: As many as 1 in 5 boys sexually abused," Chicago Tribune, Dec. 2, 1998, section 1, p. 22.

4. W.C. Holmes and G.B. Slap, "Sexual Abuse of Boys," JAMA, Dec. 2, 1998, p. 1859.

5. Ibid.

6. Jennifer A. Hurley (editor), Child Abuse: Opposing Viewpoints (San Diego: Greenhaven Press, 1999), pp. 113-14.

7. John Leland and Mark Miller, "Can Gays Convert?", Newsweek, Aug. 17, 1998, p. 49.

8. Robert Kunzig, "Finding the Switch," Psychology Today, May/June 2008, pp. 90 and 93.

9. Louis Diamant (editor), Male and Female sexuality: Psychological Approaches (Washington, DC: Hemisphere Publishing Corp., 1987), pp. 84-6.

10. Support for the position that sexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children can be found in the following sources:

Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), p. 464.

John M.W. Bradford, et al., "The Heterogeneity/ geneity of Pedophilia," Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988), p. 218.

Mic e Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995), p. 581.

Kurt Freund, et al., "Heterosexuality, sexuality, and Erotic Age Preference, " Journal of Sex Research 26 (1989), pp. 107-17. This is an odd article in that it actually states (in a bow to political correctness?) that there is no correlation between sexuality and pedophilia but provides clear statistics that indicate there is such a correlation.

Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of sexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), pp. 67-76.

Robin D. Stone, No Secrets, No Lies (NY: Broadway Books, 2004), p. 153.


The following books, with page numbers, refer to the fact that many many sexuals were sexually abused when young:

Teen Pros ution by Joan J. Johnson (NY & Chicago: Franklin Watts Publishers, 1992), p. 53.

Female Perversions by Dr. Louise J. Kaplan (NY: Doubleday, 1991), p. 437.

Invisible Lives by Martha Barron Barrett (NY: William Morrow & Co., 1989), p. 140.

Incest and Sexuality by therapists Wendy Maltz and Beverly Holman (Lexington, MA: Lexington Books, 1987), p. 72.

The Secret Trauma by Prof. Diane E.H. Russell (NY: Basic Books, Inc., 1986), p. 199.

The Broken Taboo: Sex in the Family by B. and R. Justice (quoted in the book Incest: a family pattern by Jean Renvoize [London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1982], p. 127).


The following books refer to the fact that many young victims of sexual abuse later experience confusion over their sexual iden ies:
The Consumer's Guide to Psychotherapy by Drs. Jack Engler and Daniel Goleman (NY: Simon & Schuster/Fireside, 1992), p. 414.

Desires in Conflict by Joe Dallas (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1991), p. 187.

Betrayal of Innocence by Dr. Susan Forward and Craig Buck (NY: Penguin Books, 1988), p. 96.

See also the magazine article "Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-year Follow-up" by Helen Wilson and Cathy Widom in Archives of Sexual Behavior (January 7, 2009)."""""""""""""""

[Kermit]

69 people are currently viewing this thread.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Let me know when it reaches 666 people.

[taps]

HH37 very manly post

personally if i'm one of the thousands of unadopted kids I'm not sure i'd care as long as u can give me roof,care,food.

Even with all the straight couples adopting there are still lots of children left behind in adoption centers, why punish them & force them to be raised by an agency with less resources than a couple with the means to focus/lavish money & education on him.

2 me it feels like an irrational fear of being overrun by a giant rainbow conspiracy.

[Trainwreck2100]

nobody's perfect

[Blackjack]

I'm a Tiagosexual myself . . .

[silverblk mystix]

I don't understand why anyone would care who does or does not get married.

If gay couples would like to be as miserable as the rest of us -why try to stop them?

[it's me]

I don't understand why anyone would care who does or does not get married.

If gay couples would like to be as miserable as the rest of us -why try to stop them?

winer

[Muser]

50 guests viewing

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

2 me it feels like an irrational fear of being overrun by a giant rainbow conspiracy.

Some day we'll find it, the Rainbow Conspiracy
The Masons, the CIA, and the Gays
Laaaaaaa dee da dee da dee dum

[taps]

^diffuse bomb

Well played

[Supergirl]

I have no problems with gay marriage.

But I think Manu would agree with me about adoption, the poor adopted kid of a gay couple is gonna grow up to be a got cause he don't know any better

right, because with all those gay kids & straight parents it worked out that way. LOL.

[5in10]

I have no problems with gay marriage.

But I think Manu would agree with me about adoption, the poor adopted kid of a gay couple is gonna grow up to be a got cause he don't know any better

Hmmm using the word got doesn't really support any of your post.

[Leonard Curse]

i dont think he has much of a choice tbh, we'd prob. be shocked to find out what these stars really think!

[K-State Spur]

i dont think he has much of a choice tbh, we'd prob. be shocked to find out what these stars really think!

he has the choice to not answer the question - nobody in the NBA would begrudge him that.

manu is smart enough and has been around pop long enough that he knows full well how to answer a question without really answering it at all.

that he gave a clear answer, we can be pretty sure that is his actual opinion - for better or for worse. i know it's a controversial issue in this country, but just having an opinion on one side or the other should not be.

[Rain318]

[Parker2112]

Seems like this is a very sensitive subject to you. not that there's anything wrong with it...

Hater: are you telling me that if you were raised by a sexual couple, and raised well in fact, that at 16 years of age a pamela anderson playboy spread wouldnt have had the same effect on you that it would have otherwise?

now put it in reverse...say you had been raised to by two gay guys. say you thought that sexuality was A-OK. Would that make you stare at a guys crotch and drool all of a sudden?

Ponder that for a while. When you're done pondering, the proof will set you free.

LOL.... keep reading.........

"""""""""""""Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of sexuality?
It is a well-do ented fact that many many sexuals were sexually abused when young....

What does sexual abuse have to do with anything in the original post?

Your response is bs...

[urunobili]

lol the US will likely be the last one to approve this kind of measure which is truly lame since it should be the avant garde nation leading the Americas / World... now it seems that they want to make the LGBT community suffer as much as the black and illegal immigrants have... unreal... Manu showed some big balls as always to come out and support them publicly like this

and BTW I know a gay couple that raised a kid (their maiden 7th child she couldnt support him) that now it's on the Air Force and have the freacking hottest lady in town.. lol hater doubting his own status with the second part of his comment... lol DC