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    What standard?
    saved or created

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    "Jr did you save 25 dollars from your paper route to get yourself a new bike!"

    "No but i did create 15 dollars in the process, Mom!!!"

    "Atta boy junior!"

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    So we shouldn't judge a stimulus' effectiveness based on how many jobs it created? It has to restore normal unemployment levels within 2 years or the whole thing is a failure? Even when the entire stimulus hasn't even been spent yet?

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    you can't count how many jobs were saved.

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    you can't count how many jobs were saved.
    If a job was going to be cut, and then not cut because federal money allowed for that job to be kept, did federal spending save that job?

    In some cases, it probably can be easily counted.

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    you can't count how many jobs were saved.
    It's bull .

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    Dp

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    Are you serious? Just read my posts again. Damn.
    ... or you could repost your argument so I have a specific statement to argue with, if I choose to argue with it all.

    Nah, it's okay, I'll just "reread your posts again", argue with a random thesis statement I choose, and then you can deny it had anything to do with what you are actually arguing. or whatever.

    You said you don't have a problem with the message. You said the people should be informed. How would you do it? That's all I'm asking.
    I said as much, in response, so it is clear.

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    You're not good at this.

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    You're not good at this.

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    What problem do you have with simply quoting your argument again?

    It takes roughly 1-2 minutes of time.

    You did make one, right?

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    Yet you can't go back and read it?

    I mean, really?

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    Yet you can't go back and read it?

    I mean, really?
    Yet another MIG sticking to his principles.

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    Yet you can't go back and read it?

    I mean, really?
    We've (he and I) gone over much more than just whatever his argument probably is. It would be way easier for him to simply restate it, and that way, I would know exactly what he is arguing. Additionally, it will clarify the extent of his argument; as anyone can see, we've discussed more than whatever his argument is.

    Not a very difficult concept to understand. And why are you acting butthurt about it?

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    Repugs only like one kind of political advertising.


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    You're missing my point. If they put the money towards, say, some other program to inform the taxpayer, then it would still be "propaganda" as you put it. I see no way to inform the public of works being built without it having a political undertone.
    Zosa, any response? Curious.

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    Repugs only like one kind of political advertising.

    OK Beachwood. Now I know you are a re ed liberal, or lib .

    That banner indicates the air craft carrier's mission is accomplished. It was a few hundred miles away from it home port as it was returning. That banner was not to say the Iraqi mission was accomplished.

    You buy into the media bull , then you are just a tool of the left. A kook-aide drinking liberal lemming.

    Now I know as to what merit to give your posts.

    Thanx for indicating you lack of competency, of parsing the truth.

    Take a look at this view from port:

    USS Abraham Lincoln Mission Accomplished



    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 07-20-2010 at 08:50 AM.

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    It's political because it's the truth, and the truth has a well known liberal bias.
    I lol'd at this. I've never heard this line before somehow.

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    OK Beachwood. Now I know you are a re ed liberal, or lib .

    That banner indicates the air craft carrier's mission is accomplished. It was a few hundred miles away from it home port as it was returning. That banner was not to say the Iraqi mission was accomplished.

    You buy into the media bull , then you are just a tool of the left. A kook-aide drinking liberal lemming.

    Now I know as to what merit to give your posts.

    Thanx for indicating you lack of competency, of parsing the truth.

    Take a look at this view from port:

    USS Abraham Lincoln Mission Accomplished



    I'm sure the carrier's mission was accomplished but if you think that was the intended statement then you're dumber than pile of rocks.

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    Zosa, any response? Curious.
    This is like the american car companies going to dc in private jets.

    Why do signs need to be put up anyway? If people are getting jobs then they will have jobs or oportunities to upgrade their current job. they don't need a sign that tells them that. Only the govt would hire someone to put up signs about hiring people.

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    I'm sure the carrier's mission was accomplished but if you think that was the intended statement then you're dumber than pile of rocks.
    You don't declare all major combat operations in Iraq over with a giant Mission Accomplished banner hanging behind you, and expect not to get taken to school over it.

    But good judgement is something Bush isn't frequently accused of having. At least he admitted it was the wrong message to send and a mistake.

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    Why do signs need to be put up anyway? If people are getting jobs then they will have jobs or oportunities to upgrade their current job. they don't need a sign that tells them that. Only the govt would hire someone to put up signs about hiring people.
    Don't you care about what your money is being spent on?

    Without the sign, only the people actually hired to do the job would know about it. Now, people driving on the highway can see what their money is being spent on, and can approve or disapprove as they see fit.

    They can also see how well the repairs are going, and then determine whether the government is investing its money wisely. If the repairs are shoddy, then they know to call up their representatives to look into the quality of the work done on that project.

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    That banner indicates the air craft carrier's mission is accomplished. It was a few hundred miles away from it home port as it was returning. That banner was not to say the Iraqi mission was accomplished.
    WC, let's look at your logic on this point.

    1) Aircraft carriers around the world perform various missions simultaneously. (Given)

    2) Not every aircraft carrier puts up a giant banner signifying the accomplishment of a mission, which is then televised.

    3) Not every aircraft carrier gets a personal visit from Bush upon accomplishment of a mission.

    4) From 2 & 3, we can deduce that Bush appearing on the plane, as well as the banner, was uniquely significant.

    5) From 4, we can deduce there was a specific mission accomplished, as the accolades were unique in themselves.

    So WC, given the above logic, what specific mission do you think the aircraft carrier performed that it deserved such a high profile recognition?

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    Why did they have to stage that who charade in the first place?

    Elitist!

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    You don't declare all major combat operations in Iraq over with a giant Mission Accomplished banner hanging behind you, and expect not to get taken to school over it.

    But good judgement is something Bush isn't frequently accused of having. At least he admitted it was the wrong message to send and a mistake.
    This was two different agencies acting on their own for the most part.

    As you point out thought, "major combat operations" is not "all combat operations." Therefore, the mission of the war is not yet accomplished.

    The left likes to misrepresent the meaning. That is their stupidity. Not ours.

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