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That story deserves a bong hit, but I'm waiting for a representative for the Chis Dudley campaign to come over.
The law of the weed
California, ever a global leader in cannabis matters, may forge ahead
IN 1971 a group of teenagers in San Rafael, north of San Francisco, started meeting after school, at 4:20PM, to get high. The habit spread, and 420 became code for fun time among potheads worldwide. Ever since, California has remained in the vanguard of global cannabis culture. Oaksterdam University in Oakland is today unique in the world as a sort of Aristotelian lyceum for the study of all aspects—horticultural, scientific, historical—of the weed.
Legally, California has also been a pioneer, at least within America. In 1996 it was the first state to allow marijuana to be grown and consumed for medicinal purposes. Since then, 13 states and the District of Columbia have followed, and others are considering it. But this year California may set a more fundamental, and global, precedent. It may become the first jurisdiction in the world to legalise, regulate and tax the consumption, production and distribution of marijuana.
Other Western countries—from Argentina to Belgium and Portugal—have liberalised their marijuana laws in recent decades. Some places, such as the Netherlands and parts of Australia, have in effect decriminalised the use of cannabis. But no country has yet gone all the way.
Several efforts are under way in California to do exactly that. One is a bill wending its way through the state legislature that would essentially treat marijuana like alcohol, making it legal for people aged 21 and over. Sponsored by Tom Ammiano, a flamboyant gay activist and assemblyman from San Francisco, it would levy a $50 excise tax on every ounce produced and a sales tax on top, then use those funds for drug education. A rival bill would de-penalise (as opposed to legalise) marijuana, so that getting caught with it would be no worse than receiving a parking ticket.
The more visible effort is a measure, Proposition 19, which will be put directly to voters on the November ballot. This so-called Regulate, Control, and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010, sponsored by the founder of Oaksterdam University, would also legalise the growing, selling and smoking of marijuana for those older than 21, within certain limits. But it would leave the regulation and taxation entirely up to counties and cities. These could choose to ban the business or to tax it at whatever rate they pleased.
This burst of activity may yet come to nothing, however. California has deeply conservative parts, and Proposition 19 has mobilised them. George Runner, a Republican state senator, calls legalisation a “reprehensible” idea. He fears that “once again California would be the great experiment for the rest of the world at the expense of public safety, community health and common sense.”
.Voters, meanwhile, seem split. One poll has Proposition 19 winning narrowly, another shows a small plurality against it (see chart). To nobody’s surprise, voters in the liberal counties round San Rafael, Oaksterdam and San Francisco clamour for legalisation while those in the inland counties abhor it.
Perhaps more surprisingly, most blacks and Latinos are also against it. And yet blacks are arrested for marijuana possession at twice, three times or even four times the rate of whites in every major county of California, according to the Drug Policy Alliance, a lobby that wants to end America’s war on drugs. This seems especially unfair, because young blacks actually smoke marijuana less than young whites. Alice Huffman, the leader in California of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People, America’s most influential civil-rights lobby, is for legalisation because she considers the existing laws “the latest tool for imposing Jim Crow justice on poor African-Americans”.
The debate tends to lose focus as it gains heat, because nobody quite knows what legalisation would lead to. So the RAND Corporation, a think-tank in Santa Monica, has bravely tried to project some effects.
One is that the price of marijuana is likely to decline by more than 80% upon legalisation. An ounce of standard marijuana in California now costs between $300 and $450. The retail cost to consumers would depend, in the case of Proposition 19, on the taxes applied by counties, which are unknown as yet. Even so, weed seems likely to become cheaper.
This suggests that consumption will increase, but it is unclear by how much, according to the Rand study. That is because nobody knows what effect price changes, not to mention more fundamental shifts in at ude and culture, will have on the demand for marijuana. Today, 7% of Californians report using marijuana in the past month, compared with 6% in the rest of the country. That rate might go up. Or it might not: Californians also smoke less than other Americans and do more yoga, all of which is legal.
Another big topic in a state with a $19 billion budget hole is the fiscal impact of legalisation. Some studies have estimated savings of nearly $1.9 billion as people are no longer arrested and imprisoned because of marijuana. RAND thinks these savings are probably smaller, about $300m. As for revenues, California’s government estimates that the excise and sales taxes of the Ammiano bill would bring in about $1.4 billion a year. Rand thinks the figure could be higher or lower, especially if Proposition 19 prevails, since it leaves tax rates yet to be decided.
Nothing, in short, is certain, especially because legalisation would clash against federal laws and international treaties. The Obama administration has hinted at discretion, but in theory federal prosecutors could undo any state law by continuing to prosecute individual Californians over marijuana, or by suing the state. And Congress could withhold federal money, as it did in 1984 from states that resisted raising the drinking age to 21.
But Californians and others may also decide that the issue is primarily one of individual freedom, or at least the ending of an era of cruel hypocrisy. Why burden the lives of so many adolescents, especially black men, with permanent criminal records? They only did what even past and current presidents have admitted to, whether they inhaled or not.
http://www.economist.com/node/16591136
That story deserves a bong hit, but I'm waiting for a representative for the Chis Dudley campaign to come over.
Less goverment spending on prisons, coupled with increased tax revenues on this, both allowing for lower taxes elsewhere in the economy.
This pits social conservatives against fiscal conservatives and lefties, pretty much.
WWTTPD? (what would the tea party do?)
Personally, I'm OK with legalizing/taxing and growing for personal consumption.Less goverment spending on prisons, coupled with increased tax revenues on this, both allowing for lower taxes elsewhere in the economy.
This pits social conservatives against fiscal conservatives and lefties, pretty much.
WWTTPD? (what would the tea party do?)
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3128251.story
Leave it to progressive Oakland and California to make progress on a major issue.
This would NEVER happen in retrograde red-states which are y, reluctant, sometime followers, not leaders.
Being primarily conservative does have drawbacks. That's why I identify as a mix of cons utionalist, libertarian, and conservative. I don't completely identify with any one group, but do with most the aspects of the above three.
I think it would be safe to put most who identify with the "tea party" like this as well.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 07-20-2010 at 12:51 PM.
Marijuana Use Seldom Associated With Emergency Room Visits, First-Ever National Study Says
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...aign=alternet#
yawn, yet another study showing mj mostly harmless.
The amount of money spent trying to police weed is just stupid.
This will never pass, in California or anywhere else.
Even in the remote chance that it does (it wont), the Fed will crash down upon the State like a meteor.
Lesson to be learned: If you choose to live and work under the conditions others provide, be prepared for their wrath when you live and work differently than they expect. Mind your taskmasters.
7%?Bull ! I'd be surprised if it's any lower than a bare minimum of 20%.
A $50 an ounce sin tax on weed is some ing bull .
It will happen sooner or later. California needs money, in any amount, and it's going to start getting more desperate.
BOO-YAAA....
Timmy better start planning for his retirement stash...
You missed the part where it will drop from 340 an ounce to 100 or 200.
Let's do some stoner math.
200+50 is more, or less, than 340?
Overall the costs will come down, especially as industrial production kicks in with the efficiencies scale that invariably make crops and manufactured products cheaper per unit.
The costs will come down more than the tax will drive it up.
It might be bull , but does it matter to you who gets what cut after the money leaves your hands? At least with the legalize and tax, it won't go to subsidizing murder in Mexico.
Lets see... 300 * (1-.8) = 60 per ounce. add fifty or even one hundred to that, and you end up with 160 per ounce, still about half what it was before.One is that the price of marijuana is likely to decline by more than 80% upon legalisation. An ounce of standard marijuana in California now costs between $300 and $450. The retail cost to consumers would depend, in the case of Proposition 19, on the taxes applied by counties, which are unknown as yet. Even so, weed seems likely to become cheaper.
Toke up, please. Why not let the stoners subsidize us non-pot smokers' government? I'm all for that.
I would say 30% if more people there had jobs.7%?
I think you're right. They cannot help but interfere with state's rights.
Well, in the 70's, the regular stuff was $20 an ounce. The good stuff was $40 to $55 an ounce. Now some good bud is at $40 for an 1/8th!
This is the one issue where many conservatives and liberals on this board are aligned. Get it done Cali!
Sadly, true.
But I dont believe it will pass the voter's smell test as it is. I learned much about California on the gay marriage bill. I thought that was a slam dunk, considering the politics of the State (or should I say, the stereotypical politics of the State). Not only was I wrong, but it wasnt even close.
California, as a whole, is not nearly as liberal as I was lead to believe. Theyre more liberal than most (if not all states), but still quite conservative at the same time.
So I am hedging my bets on this one. It wont pass the state vote.
I agree. They have their super extreme liberal areas in the northern part of the state but the state itself is predominantly conservative.
Coastal counties are some of the most liberal in the country, and valley/inland counties are some of the most conservative in the country.
The thing is, prop 215 passed, and I think that's a much better indicator than the gay marriage vote of what will transpire on election day.
In Sonoma county where I lived, which is just north of Marin County and west of Napa, I would say fully half the people I knew burned nugs, so yeah, 7% is a laughable number
I also knew people up in the triangle (Mendo/Humboldt/Lake counties) who grew for a living who would be very much against full legalization because it would hurt their profits. Those 3 counties are basically dependent on the Marijuana trade to keep their economies afloat due to the decline in logging and industry, and it will be interesting to see how they vote. I bet a lot of the growers will vote against in order to protect their $$$$. Ultimately, IMO, it will pass due to the huge number of casual smokers in the state
Hmm, I'll take your word for it. I certainly hope youre right as it would be the first domino (a very large domino, in fact).
All this tells me is that California is completely unpredictable in more ways than politics.
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