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    There's your 'mutual option'... player option + partially-guaranteed.

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    At least they'll have two that are also underpaid.........
    That's what's lost in all this uproar. The disparity between pay and production level will probably be much greater with Tiago, Anderson, Hill, and Blair than it will be with RJ. And, as CG succinctly explained: by the time Jefferson's contract becomes an issue, our window will officially be closed.

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    Still a bad contract imo. Please RJ prove me wrong

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    It is now obvious that RJ had a pre-arranged agreement with the Spurs. The Spurs knew RJ was going to cost about 23 mil (including tax). At 38.5 mil this means the Spurs will pay an additional 15.5 mil for 3 extra years of service, Also, with the last year being around 11 mil you can bet he will be a great trading chip with such a large expiring contract or partial guaranteed contract.

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    Both Bonner & Jefferson better step the up come playoff time

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    It is now obvious that RJ had a pre-arranged agreement with the Spurs. The Spurs knew RJ was going to cost about 23 mil (including tax). At 38.5 mil this means the Spurs will pay an additional 15.5 mil for 3 extra years of service, Also, with the last year being around 11 mil you can bet he will be a great trading chip with such a large expiring contract or partial guaranteed contract.
    If he doesn't opt out...

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    Both Bonner & Jefferson better step the up come playoff time
    Not even in your dreams. I hope he will not play in the playoffs.

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    It's a numbers game...Spurs are already teetering on the lux tax line for this year and will have raises for everyone on the team, including sizeable ones for Duncan, Ginobili and now Jefferson.

    You really think the Spurs are going to offer Parker a contract extension at or above his current earning rate given those future payouts?
    Considering Holt is going to sign off on this RJ deal.. yes I believe he is willing to also pay Parker, even if that means luxury tax. Parker will be our best player no doubt in 2 years, I think everybody in the organization will realize that and will pay him accordingly.

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    What an awesome off-season.

    Spurs got swept in the secodn round and they come back with the same team and two rookies. Spurs have also spend about $50M for a choker and a player who failed to fit with the team.

    Please, tell me it's a nightmare and not the reality...
    At least the short bus crew of this forum can rejoice, with Parker's extension looking like it's in major jeopardy.

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    We can't do anything about. Spurs need to get a backup SF now.

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    I'm actually a little low on the calc, I used the wrong tax figure for the 4 Toros
    As of right now, I have the Spurs @ $1,017,410 over the tax line including James Anderson, Gee, Temple, Jerrells, and Hairston.

    So it looks like the Spurs are gonna pay the tax for the upcoming season.

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    RC Buford on Jefferson's re-signing: "We wouldn't have been as good a team had Richard decided to play someplace else." #spurs
    RJ's deal: 2010-11 ($8.4 million); 2011-12 ($9.282 million); 2012-13 ($10.164 million); 2012-13 ($11.046 million). Final yr partial gurantee
    Last year not fully guaranteed. Easily tradeable in season 3. RT @kevinajones7 Two more years after Duncan's final year. A bit puzzling.

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    As of right now, I have the Spurs @ $1,017,410 over the tax line including James Anderson, Gee, Temple, Jerrells, and Hairston.

    So it looks like the Spurs are gonna pay the tax for the upcoming season.
    Maybe we can ask Splitter to take even less money...

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    its a good deal. could be much worse.

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    This makes me feel a little better.

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    What an awesome off-season.

    Spurs got swept in the secodn round and they come back with the same team and two rookies. Spurs have also spend about $50M for a choker and a player who failed to fit with the team.

    Please, tell me it's a nightmare and not the reality...
    this

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    As of right now, I have the Spurs @ $1,017,410 over the tax line including James Anderson, Gee, Temple, Jerrells, and Hairston.

    So it looks like the Spurs are gonna pay the tax for the upcoming season.
    What numbers are you using for RJ, Splitter, and Bonner?

    I believe that they're still under the tax with the 10 guaranteed contracts plus Temple/Gee/Hairston. Jerrells will be cut.

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    If he doesn't opt out...
    Last year is partially guaranteed. Meaning it's more than likely going to be only a 3 year deal (Spurs choice).

    After his first two years, his expiring will become reasonably tradeable (worst case scenario.

    I also didn't see any "decline" in his athleticism last year that indicated declining is on the immediate horizon.

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    As of right now, I have the Spurs @ $1,017,410 over the tax line including James Anderson, Gee, Temple, Jerrells, and Hairston.

    So it looks like the Spurs are gonna pay the tax for the upcoming season.
    Spurs owner Peter Holt has committed to paying luxury tax again next season and in 2011-12, the final two years of star center Tim Duncan's contract. After that, San Antonio is likely to rebuild around Splitter--who will be up for a new deal by then--guards George Hill and Manu Ginobili, whom the team signed to a three-year, $38 million extension last season, and second-year forward DeJuan Blair.

    http://www.nba.com/news/features/ald...10.freeagency/

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    After reading those numbers from McDonald's tweet, its not that bad.

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    its a good deal. could be much worse.
    Now, could it really be much worse? He received everything he wanted without any other teams aggressively looking for his services. Spurs need a new negotiator.

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    Props to our source for giving us the details almost three hours before the Spurs finally admitted the numbers.

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    Considering Holt is going to sign off on this RJ deal.. yes I believe he is willing to also pay Parker, even if that means luxury tax. Parker will be our best player no doubt in 2 years, I think everybody in the organization will realize that and will pay him accordingly.
    I'm not as certain as you are, and I think the total payroll will have an impact on individual contract negotiations. I guess it's best to agree to disagree on this.

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    What numbers are you using for RJ, Splitter, and Bonner?

    I believe that they're still under the tax with the 10 guaranteed contracts plus Temple/Gee/Hairston. Jerrells will be cut.
    This. I'm pretty sure all my previous calculations indicated that they'd be fine with a contract up to about $10 million for the first year, with the upper ends of that obviously dictating that they do not use their LLE or remaining MLE.

    Of course, a lot of it depends on the $1 million possible range of Bonner's contract, which we still haven't gotten solid numbers on.

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    I'm not as certain as you are, and I think the total payroll will have an impact on individual contract negotiations. I guess it's best to agree to disagree on this.
    If you believe Spurs resigned R.J knowing they couldn't have the option to resign Parker (because of R.J's new deal), you have to be smoking something.

    No way on earth would the Spurs choose Jefferson over Parker. Parker certainly will still be a possibility to be resigned (they have his bird rights and wouldn't necessarily exceed the luxury the one year with Parker, Manu, Tim, R.J under contract for the 2011/2012 season).

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