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    How will a a players option solely the Spurs decision?
    I think he means that they will trade him before then if it doesn't work out

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    I thought Parker's agent was Marc Fleischer, and their agent is Leon Rose. Did Parker switch agents?
    To answer my own question - Parker switched to Steven Heumann a few years ago. He's with Creative Artists, but not the same agent as LeBron, CP and Carmelo (who use Leon Rose).

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    If the option was RJ at 4/40, then yes, I was ok with limping into the season with Malik and what ever they could sign with the rest of the MLE.

    In my mind, the difference in our le hopes with RJ or with Malik/MLE are not that different. Plus there was also the possibility the Spurs actually got better without RJ and using the young guys/MLE guy + possible trade.
    Icic, I have mixed feelings about the contract.

    On one hand, we retain probably our best option at SF available to us immediately this off-season. Additionally, RJ can still fit, with a year under his belt, and with him understanding his role better, there is a chance he surprises us next year. I think we have a higher chance seeing a better season than RJ repeating his performance from last year. i say this because RJ is still a skilled player. He can slash and finish with the best of them and he still time to adjust his game. Also, the coaching stuff can maybe make some adjustment to get him going as well. Last year Pop was given just a few months to integrate a player like RJ and perhaps he just didnt have the time to use his strengths.

    But the contract is nothing to be proud of. If RJ doesn't work out once again, then we got ourselves a Maggette type situation that the Spurs are just not known for. I want to say that if RJ doesn't make an improvement, we can still roll with Malik+other young guns and see if they can contribute better but I'm not sure thats realistic with someone making 10mill on the roster.

    All in all, I am happy with bring RJ back because hes probably the best available option with (IMO) the upside to improve and adjust.

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    I thought Parker's agent was Marc Fleischer, and their agent is Leon Rose. Did Parker switch agents?
    Tbh not even sure who his agent was until now, from that CBS article FWIW:

    "Paul will be represented by CAA agent Leon Rose, who also represents James and potential 2011 free agents Anthony and Tony Parker"

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1...eadlines;other

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    "Gawdddddd, if you listenin', heelllllllllllllp"

    Well good news is if the Spurs are going to trade TP, they now have a terrible contract they can demand be taken with him

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    How will a a players option solely the Spurs decision?
    He picks that option up, Spurs trade him or buy him out. Sure, it might be his own decision, but he doesn't really get to stay with the team. He will get the money and then look for another new contract.

    So my question would be, why the does this kind of option exist anyway? It has no meaningful purpose at all because it is definitely guaranteed that Jefferson will pick up the option. They aren't fooling anyone here.

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    Well, we saw what he did for our chances last year.
    R.J wasn't the reason why the Spurs flamed out. Interior Defense and the nucleus of the bench consisting of (Mason, Bogans, Bonner) were the major weak points. IMO

    I am basing mine of the games I have seen, including the playoffs.
    R.J still manage to score in double figures in 58 outings in the regular season (32 outings above 15 points) and R.J had a big hand in the victory over Dallas and he also had two great games against Phoenix. I don't buy into Jefferson's athletic ability declining significantly and I don't think R.J has a low BBIQ. I also don't think he is a lock-down defender (against quick guards) by any means, but I believe he gives the Spurs versatility on the defensive end by being able to defend bigger wings ( Pierce, Artest, Melo, ect) well.

    Answer this question (and not with, they have a better chance with him than without): Are the Spurs contenders for the le? Was that their goal?
    I don't think Spurs are as far off as you are implying. I think Spurs ran into a Phoenix Suns team that played out of it's mind in four games against the Spurs( I don't think they missed a shot in every 4th quarter). I actually believe last year's squad could have played with the Lakers or the Celtics to 6-7 games had they had the opportunity.

    This next year they are fortifying their interior defense to an extent with Splitter, Manu and Parker are coming in to the season as fresh as they have ever been, Spurs are replacing the horrid combination of Mason and Bogans with more athletic players with higher ceilings (on both ends) in Hairston, Andreson and possibly Gee. Hill and Blair (who were big contributors last season) are only going to improve as well. Jefferson also certainly has the ability to improve (most notable in his 3 point shooting; which he's proved to be a threat from before).

    Spurs should be a much better team this upcoming season.IMO

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    He picks that option up, Spurs trade him or buy him out. Sure, it might be his own decision, but he doesn't really get to stay with the team. He will get the money and then look for another new contract.

    So my question would be, why the does this kind of option exist anyway? It has no meaningful purpose at all because it is definitely guaranteed that Jefferson will pick up the option. They aren't fooling anyone here.
    He can decide to opt out and become a free agent. If he thinks he can land MLE type of money and his guaranteed money is less than what he can get, it works for RJ. The Spurs don't get anything back though, unless they can force a S&T.

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    Damn, that would suck if it's true. That's way to much for him.

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    How will a a players option solely the Spurs decision?
    To my understanding it's not a player's option-- The 4th year is partially guaranteed if I'm correct.

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    I guess if he doesn't pan out we can always package him with Splitter and Hill and trade him for expirings...

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    To my understanding it's not a player's option-- The 4th year is partially guaranteed if I'm correct.
    It is partially guaranteed.... AND a player option.

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    To my understanding it's not a player's option-- The 4th year is partially guaranteed if I'm correct.
    If the reporting is correct, it's both partially guaranteed and a player's option.

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    He picks that option up, Spurs trade him or buy him out. Sure, it might be his own decision, but he doesn't really get to stay with the team. He will get the money and then look for another new contract.

    So my question would be, why the does this kind of option exist anyway? It has no meaningful purpose at all because it is definitely guaranteed that Jefferson will pick up the option. They aren't fooling anyone here.
    It does. You just need to think through all the possibilities.

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    Just to add, Spurs would have Bird Rights if he opts out of that 4th season. So they could match any contract offered to him.

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    If the reporting is correct, it's both partially guaranteed and a player's option.
    Then my understanding is correct, it just means free money for RJ.

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    I agree the Spurs are better next year. Splitter alone helps that. I agree replacing Bogans (hopefully he won't be back, but with how ty the Spurs FO has been this summer it would not surprise me) and Mason with Malik/Anderson/... is another nice step.

    I still don't see the Spurs any where close to a le imo. I really, really hope I am wrong. I think the Spurs will be in the pile of teams that are a solid step below the true contenders, but they will still be a damn good basketball team.

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    (provided Bird Rights still exist then)

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    It does. You just need to think through all the possibilities.
    The possibilities of someone wanting free money is 100%. He will definitely pick up that option.

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    I agree Bogans and Mason sucked and I'm glad they're gone... but Bogans averaged a grand total of 7 mins in the playoffs, and Mason 10 mins.

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    It is now obvious that RJ had a pre-arranged agreement with the Spurs. The Spurs knew RJ was going to cost about 23 mil (including tax). At 38.5 mil this means the Spurs will pay an additional 15.5 mil for 3 extra years of service, Also, with the last year being around 11 mil you can bet he will be a great trading chip with such a large expiring contract or partial guaranteed contract.
    There's still time, but Eddy Curry's expiring deal hasn't helped the Knicks yet. Don't think it's a guarantee that you'd be able to trade an $11 million Jefferson in 4 years so easily just because his contract is expiring.

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    The possibilities of someone wanting free money is 100%. He will definitely pick up that option.
    Ok.

    You're making assumptions that may or may not come to pass. Other possibilities exist that don't require wild flights of fancy. Definitely not worth arguing about three summers in advance of the decision.

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    The possibilities of someone wanting free money is 100%. He will definitely pick up that option.
    Uh? You still don't get it.

    Say his guaranteed portion is $6m out of those $11m. Say Boston is looking to offer him a $12m/3 year deal. If he opts out, he signs that deal, he makes more than even full money from the Spurs and he has a 3 year contract.
    If he picks up the option instead, he can make at most $11m, with the real possibility he will only make $6m and will not have a contract to play for anybody after that.

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    I still don't see the Spurs any where close to a le imo. I really, really hope I am wrong. I think the Spurs will be in the pile of teams that are a solid step below the true contenders, but they will still be a damn good basketball team.
    Imo it all depends on health. Tony Parker had the stats and impact of a top 10 player two years ago and this past season he had all sorts of injuries and ailments and was reduced to nothing but an average player's stats and impact. This is also a seriously underestimated quality that RJ addresses - he's about as durable as they come (probably the biggest trait he shares with Bowen) and will probably lead the Spurs in minutes. Even Malik got injured and he was a back-up that hardly played.

    The Lakers only finished 2 wins higher than the 2nd seed in the West and they have a lot of IF's and potential health problems to watch out for. Odom's playing international basketball in the summer, Bynum needs surgery and doesn't ever seem healthy enough for the NBA season + playoffs, and Kobe's relying more and more on skill as well. Meanwhile the Spurs haven't played anywhere near as much basketball and might finally have a healthy season from their big 3.

    Spurs have a legitimate shot at coming out of the West next year imo especially if LA doesn't have HCA and if the miles from their consecutive finals runs keep catching up....and if the Spurs can finally stay healthy as well.
    Last edited by Cane; 07-21-2010 at 08:23 PM.

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    Jefferson's opt out pays off in new deal with Spurs
    -Sources tells TNT's David Aldridge that forward Richard Jefferson's new contract with the San Antonio Spurs, officially announced on Wednesday, is for four years and $38.8 million, with a player option for the final season at a little more than $11 million.

    http://www.nba.com/news/features/ald...s=iref:nbahpt2

    Here is his contract details. I'm not sure if nyone else posted this, but if not here you go.

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