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I thought Spurs were playing for championships.
I thought Spurs were playing for championships.
I'll take any of these guys over a 4/$40m RJ...
Mike Miller
Kyle Korver
Raja Bell
And yes, you can work out a S&T if you find a team with cap space that wants RJ or Bonner. I'm not saying it's guaranteed you could land those guys (they can always decide not to come play for us), but we didn't actively try. Bonner was signed up a day after the market opened.
Spurs couldn't afford them with the 2.635 million that was available from the MLE.
and two of those options aren't even close to being defensive oriented.
There was no defensive specialist realistically available to even try to work a sign and trade. Go read my last post.
Just because a team has cap space doesn't mean you can work out a sign and trade. The other team has to have a need for the player you are signing and trading. Pretty much all of the teams with significant cap space already had a valuable starting small-forward (which takes R.J out of the picture).
Of course we are but the point is that while we got swept by the Suns we did beat a very good Dallas team. People want to make it seem that last years squad was light years away from doing anything.
None of that. And we could have spent just as much as we spent on RJ.
It's called a double sign and trade. We sign RJ for whatever contract the team that wants him offers him, the other team signs the player we've offered a contract and agreed to come over, then you simply trade. You balance off the contract with whatever smaller contracts.
Has nothing to do with little money, trading a SF for a SF. It's about getting creative and actively looking for deals and a partner instead of handing out silly contracts the first day of free agency.
I believe this is perfectly legal, but people can feel free to correct me.
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Bruce Bowen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RJ
No. No one expected Kobe or Bosh. But no one expected to sign a bad fit long-term.
They also expected the Spurs to really try and pursue winning a le. Even if that meant paying luxury tax and taking on a bad contract.
They didn't. The cheap skated under the luxury tax and still took on a contract that does nothing to help win a le.
If they wanted to win, they could have traded for Iggy or someone like that. His contract sucks to, but it would have shaken things up and given the Spurs a better chance at winning (more than likely).
Something like that.
I never said RJ is the only reason the Spurs lost or got swept. What I am saying is that knowing he did not fit and the team's goal was winning a le, but ended up in being swept in the 2nd round, they HAD to do something different. Anything. The only thing they could not do imo is exactly what they did. Overpay a bad fit who does nothing to *realistically help now or later.
His upside now was not worth the risk they took on long term. Other players, like Iggy for example (whom most think is available for cheap) at least have upside to their bad contracts.
JMcDonald_SAEN
Which reports? I trust our sources. RT @AirAlamo some reports are saying that the last year is a player option, what's the deal?
They want a player that doesn't exist. There's not another Bowen and nobody like him available. Like MB said what will it matter long term as the team will be nothing more than a lottery team.
See this post:Spurs couldn't afford them with the 2.635 million that was available from the MLE.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=557
And Korver and Miller are simply better fits. Better spot up shooters and as good or better defenders than RJ.
They are not mutually exclusive. The Spurs are not likely true contenders with or without RJ. Same spot in our book because the goal is to win a le. We know RJ is not that guy.
Easy there, Seabiscuit.
That scenario is about as far-fetched as it can possibly be.
Unrealistic and extremely far fetched.
Spurs would have to of wanted a specific player and the team to which the player comes from has to want and have a need for the player you are signing and trading. That is not a simple trade by any means.
That is a far-fetched scenario.
Sad to see people happy just because we beat the biggest choker team in NBA. who cares if we beat the 2nd seed ! It's the mavs. Everyone can beat them in the playoffs. They're chokers. Just ask GSW !
We got swept after we beat them ! Last time it happened was against the Lakers with Shaq in his prime and Kobe.
Now we have the same team with 2 rookies. One starter is clearly a bad fit (has never been a good defender and has never been a good 3-point shooter) and our best 3-point shooter can't hit crap in it matters.
Why should we be happy?
My prediction is everyone will be kissing RJs ass when he is averaging 17 ppg come January. Everyone will act like it was the other guy that was whining about RJ.
IF you find a team with cap space that WANTS them and IF those players wanted to come to the Spurs. You mention the two reason why the Spurs couldn't land those players but failed to see why they didn't?
Well whiner, I doubt that anything can make you happy. All you ever do is , and some more. Go out and get a job so that you can then work on getting a life!!!
About every playoff team beats the Mavs, they are like the official NBA playoff wiping boys. Just about every playoff team loves it when they get to match up against the Mavs.
Ask, Sacramento, Phoenix, Miami, Golden State, New Orleans, and Denver. Other then the Spurs all teams that have beaten the Mavs in just the last 10 years.
Beating them just dosn't seem like a whole lot to write home about. Need we not forget we were not only beaten but we were swept by the Suns. If the goals are just to make the playoffs and do well sure, but Spurs goals right now are championship or bust, so anything less is a complete disapointment.
why dont we see other teams doing it?
Whatever, you guys go ahead and have your crying meltdown. Ciao.
Because it's a fantasy- far-fetched- unrealistic scenario.
Not far fetched at all. Was contemplated at least twice this offseason alone:
Example one:
If Bosh settles on the New York Knicks, the Raptors would try to engage in a double sign-and-trade that sends Knicks forward David Lee(notes) to Toronto
Example two:
Brian Windhorst of Cleveland.com reports that Dallas and Cleveland could be entertaining the idea of a double sign-and-trade between Haywood and Cavs center Shaquille O'Neal.
And no, the only thing you need is to find a team that wants one of your players and that both players get offered a good enough contract they're willing to sign (I mean, we're paying Bonner the same Raja Bell signed up for).
The only impediment really is that you'll be crazy to find a team willing to pay RJ 4/$40m...
There are other factors to consider in the "RJ doesn't fit" theory that cannot be shouldered solely by Jefferson. The mul ude of injuries led to Pop forcing a lot of line-ups that did not work and resulted in Jefferson playing out of position for a good amount of the year. He had to leave a team where he was the #1 option to a new team where he had to defer to three all-star level players. The starting line-up changed a unbelievable number of times for one season. Tony, because of his injuries, and RJ never got to develop a relationship and Hill is too green a PG to take over a team in that sense. An on court relationship between TP and RJ is vital to the Spurs success, and it never developed.
The major, and only real mistake RJ made was letting his frustration with an understandably difficult situation effect his play. This year the pressure is off. Tony will come in healthy. RJ won't have to play under the same pressure he did last season. I expect better results and there is absolutely no reason not to.
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