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This is silly. I care about the spurs future. They will exist after Tim and Pop.
Please explain how it hurts the future?
You obviously are not aware of the reality of the situation the Spurs have for the next 3-4 years.
This is silly. I care about the spurs future. They will exist after Tim and Pop.
No offense but you also stated earlier this summer the Spurs would be able to fill the void with players who got paid much more than you anticipated while others like myself told you it was RJ or scraps.
I get that people hate RJ because he didn't swoop in and save the Spurs last year but he's the best they could do.
Ok, Im done with the roster , let the season begin.
I know, Dude, but at some point, we just have to play the cards we are dealt. If you go all in with the Lakers and the Heat at the table you are going to lose. I think the Spurs are trying to play it cool and stay in the game a little longer. It may or may not work, but we did not have the cards to play with the chip leaders this off season.
Could I use some more poker metaphors?
Sure but a lottery team is a lottery team. When the Spurs are struggling to win 25 games are you really going to be so pissed off about RJ getting 11 million?
just bc you keep saying that does not make it true or your points more valid. I am fully aware. Bruno and others see some of the same things. You aren't aware of what bad contracts do to teams rebuilding process.
You can say screw the future all you want, but you look silly doing so when your team has no shot at a le now IMHO.
Umm...Spurs just made the Western Conference SemiFinals (eight teams reach this point) and now we just added the best big man from Europe plus a shooting guard that should be able to contribute right away.
The Lakers were just a .500 ballclub until they added Paul Gasol. Im not saying Splitter is as good as Gasol but this Spurs team is better than the Lakers prior to Gasol.
I know you are a not a big fan of Jefferson but this is a small forward that is one of the better players at his position. And despite he was not the focal point of our offense he still managed over 12 points and 4 rebounds a game. His stats are better than Artest and Artest got a 5 year deal.
No offense, but many thought certain players would be available. And my logic did not have anything to do w a certain player(s) but a concept. I don't fault the spurs for the trade, but the stupid extension.
If the spurs only cared about this year, why not just let RJ keep his 15m, give it one last shot, then go your separate ways?
Because that meant paying the Luxury Tax and like I said 40 million over 40 years is obviously a better deal than 20 for one year.
Spurs have been a lottery team only once in the past 20 years (of course David Robinson was out almost the whole year) and have been one of the most successful franchises in the past 30 years. I trust this organization to maintain a successful pedigree for years to come. Splitter, Blair, Hill, Parker, Anderson and to some extend Jefferson are some great components to build around.
What reality? Do you know what the next CBA is going to look like?
Looking at it with thr current rules, this was a money saving move for the short term. They won't be paying lux tax on those $15m he walked out of this season, but they'll end up paying more on the long run. In exchange, they'll end up with less financial flexibility going forward, since if they would have paid RJ his $16m this season he would have come off the book entirely at season's end.
BTW, if you want to talk about valuable trading chip, his $15m expiring was better than his 4th year deal for a team trying to shred salary.
It is what it is. They decided to do it this way and from a fan's perspective, let's hope he can produce. Because if we're really looking at the win now and he doesn't fit the bill this season again, we might have to package him with some actual good, cheap talent we have in order to dump his contract for something else.
Exactly, I honestly don't think that we will fall of THAT much
This was a deal the Spurs put out if Jefferson would opt out and he couldn't find a better deal. It was guaranteed from the start, and did it to save Holt the 16 mil in lux tax money. Instead of paying 32 mil for one season he's paying 40 mil for 4.
I can't blame them. They took their chance last season, it didn't work out, so now they're resigning to sail off into the sunset of mediocrity. It was a great run.
Why? There is no future. If there is no future, 20m sure looks better than 40m to me.
It's really depressing in here.
Trust me - unless we draft another David Robinson or Tim Duncan by some fluke lottery ball mojo we're going to be a lottery team once again the moment Duncan retires.
I know Spurs fans think amazing big men grow on trees but thats a really bad misconception.
No you are not aware.
R.J's new deal won't hinder their rebuilding process with Manu and Tim making double his salary the next 2 seasons. Spurs wouldn't be able to afford a significant free agent anyway the next 2 years with or without R.J's new deal.
His new deal doesn't handcuff them in any potential signings or take away their future 1st round picks either.
I also care about the future, but I'm fully aware R.J's contract (when it won't be as valuable to other teams --the first 2 seasons) won't hurt the Spurs from adding anything because of cap situation with Manu, Tim, Splitter, Bonner, Anderson, Blair, Hill, McDyess, Gee, Temple under contract. They will still only have around 5-7 million to make additions via MLE/ LLE with or without R.J's new deal.
Entering his 3rd season, Tim's contract comes off the books for 20 million and Spurs will have valuable expiring contracts ( Manu and R.J's) to make a move(s) for the future.
So you think the organization had anything to do with the ping pong balls landing us Duncan?
Okay
Of course 20 is better than 40 if you don't factor in years. Holt was going to pay someone during those lottery years so thats why it doesn't matter but the savings this year matter.
Spurs have nice young pieces already to rebuild with: Tiago, Blair, Hill and Anderson
Duncan gets a $3M raise, Ginobili $1M and now RJ $1M. Bonner, Splitter, Hill and Blair are also due raises. Even if the Spurs only pay the partial salary of Dice, I'm pretty sure they're at lux tax.
I understand that Holt may dip into his pockets for the extra cash if he feels like Parker is the player that will carry this franchise in the post-TD era...but I think he'll most certainly weigh that against the current roster situation (to include players at the position and yes, current payroll situation).
Like with the other dude, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. You think it won't be a consideration, I think it will.
Blair will never be a franchise player. Hill has even less of a chance to be teh franchise player anywhere. I'll fully admit we may be surprised by Anderson but I really really really really doubt either he or Tiago is going to be a Franchise player.
Without a true great player the jobs of other "good" players on teams get relaly difficult.
Parker is the only Spur outside of Duncan capable of being a franchise.
'87 - David Robinson
'97 - Tim Duncan
'07 - Tiago Splitter???
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