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Then you are considering fantasy land.
So your numbers are totally irrelevant with the scenario I laid out.
Then you are considering fantasy land.
The scenario you laid out was one of many possible scenarios. You filled in the 'ifs' and 'buts' for your scenario and did your math.
I laid out a different scenario, filled in my 'ifs' and 'buts', and came out with different numbers.
The reality is that both are valid. We didn't need to sign up Bonner to a contract. We didn't need to offer RJ this contract. That's the scenario we've been talking about with DPG for many pages in this thread, and you keep on trying to impose what your scenario is, with your 'ifs' and 'buts', and if somebody doesn't agree, then we get the 'you don't get it'.
We do get it. We simply don't agree that it's the only way this could have played out. I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand.
Second year. That is all.
Most likely they will keep at least one (probably two) since they are valuable young cheap options to fill the roster ( realistically thinking)
All the trades Spurs have made that included 1st rounders have all netted additional salary in talent for upcoming years (Speedy Claxton- 1 year, Nazr 2-years, Kurt Thomas 1 year and resigned for 2 more; So you'd still have to credit salary still if your less likely scenario happens)
Sure, we're exploring what the different options were. Because we're being told that this was the best and only scenario, and that's just not true.
You don't have to participate if you don't want to.
It's not hard for me to understand.
This whole topic is about R.J's Contract Details (If you can read)- Which is why I presented the financial scenario for the next 2-4 years with or without R.J's salary. Not with or without Bonner's.
I will participate by saying that it is futile to consider things that are impossible.
M4T basically laid out that regardless of the RJ signing we are not going to be able to sign free agents and also that despite the signing we would be able to sign TP and be under the luxury tax threshold.
If you want to complain about the Bonner signing then go right ahead but in regards to the RJ signing it is nothing but a red herring.
I'm not sure. Maybe they didn't work out by then,and we'll be trying out some other kids and paying the min. Maybe one did and we'll be spending an extra $1m there. Maybe they'll all make it, but I realistically think it's unlikely.
Many scenarios for this one. They could trade down and get cash. They could pick and stash like Splitter.
Well, let's just add you also filled in a bunch of extra debatable blanks, which is why I questioned some of the figures.
You also assume that if we didn't add RJ, that we couldn't have traded his $15m in expiring for another piece of that value, which is actually a very likely scenario. Obviously, this whole thing comes down to paying the tax now or not (and I'll be the first to say it was a major figure, the savings can easily escalate to $15m).
Of course it's impossible right now. We were all aware of this before this thread started. What we're discussing is wether it's a good deal or not. Or wether there were other better/different scenarios. That's all. We're killing time with hypotheticals. Nobody is losing sleep over this.
Well I'm pissed off at the both of you for pretty much overshadowing my comic tidbits with your incessant arguing.
At least we were arguing about basketball and not race or something stupid. I gave you a laugh a while back.
That is strictly your opinion, once again. You don't get it do you?
Get a clue!
lol
Get a clue. I was arguing about Pakistani curry and rearing cattle.
Oh man, I see where this is headed
So what do you guys think about Ratliff salary?
The dude abides.
The Spurs - where you try to fit a 30yo square peg into a round hole, and it costs you nearly 39mil to try...
Ugh.
I'm going to enjoy ripping on RJ all season as he fails miserably to deliver what the team needs... actually, no I'm not, I'm going to bash my head against the wall and cry in my beer.
Can't get over what a dumb move this was. Still, Pop and the FO know more than I do about basketball, so i really hope they've seen something I'm missing.
We made contact with the ultimate source regarding this contract and he said that it's a 4-year, $40 million deal.
Dug deeper since Don Harris and ESPN are claiming $38.8 million and this is the unconfirmed chain of events:
1) Spurs and RJ agreed to a 4-year, $40 million deal before free agency
2) RJ wanted the final year to be a player option
3) RJ and Spurs disagreed
4) Spurs told RJ to test market if he wasn't satisfied with the deal
5) RJ tested market
6) Negotiations continue. Spurs offer player option but on the condition that part of the guaranteed salary is converted to performance incentive.
7) Two sides agree on 4-year, $38.8 million deal with a player option. Additional $1.2 million available in performance incentives.
I'm not sure if the performance incentives will be classified as "likely" but RJ's side of the negotiation call in a $40 million contract ... so I'm guessing the incentives aren't too impossible.
Thanks for the update, timvp
Appreciate it. Knew it had to be prearranged. Basically they put it on the table and told him to come back when he was ready to sign, more or less. Hard to believe they really decided to pay him that much, though.
WTF, it's their money and the Spurs weren't going to sign anyone else of consequence. Hopefully by some miracle RJ figures out a way to earn that check for the next 2 years. After that, I really couldn't care less about his contract. It is what it is and what really is it going to prevent them from doing when Tim's gone and Manu's in his last year, if Tony is even here?
I'm just, meh, at this point . . .
It's probably what it took to convince him to opt out. smh
Like you said, it's anecdotical at this point... Let us proceed...
So does this mean RJ could be making $12.2 mil in his final year
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