Gary Neal was accused for rape?

[jag]

I find it hard to believe that they would kick him out without knowing something..did he fight the decision?..the vomiting story sounds believable to me, so does making up the rape accusations out of embarrassment of getting ed while vomiting..

You don't find sex while vomiting to be strange and creepy?..





It happened pretty often at random house parties in my neighborhood growing up..

It's not like I sat there and examined it closely..

They kicked him out because he was accused of rape. You get accused of rape and you're ed. That's how it works. I don't believe for a second Kobe raped that girl...and i hate Kobe.

You have a strange interest in her getting banged while vomiting. She said thats how it went down, the two guys disagreed. It's up in the air...but with your extensive experience in watching trains being run around your neighborhood, I'd expect you to know that some of these loose girls recruit guys for that . They don't have to be drunk and/or vomiting.

[HarlemHeat37]

They kicked him out because he was accused of rape. You get accused of rape and you're ed. That's how it works. I don't believe for a second Kobe raped that girl...and i hate Kobe.

You have a strange interest in her getting banged while vomiting. She said thats how it went down, the two guys disagreed. It's up in the air...but with your extensive experience in watching trains being run around your neighborhood, I'd expect you to know that some of these loose girls recruit guys for that . They don't have to be drunk and/or vomiting.

-Both guys also originally lied about what they did with the woman, so that hurts their credibility a lot..one of them denied that he had any sexual contact with her at all, which was proven to be false, and Neal said he only had oral sex with her, which was also proven to be false..

-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

Witnesses >>> He said/She said, especially when it involves apparent liars, at least IMO..

-The vomiting part interests me, because it's strange/creepy behavior, as I've already explained..if the rape accusations weren't enough, running a train on a vomiting girl is just creepy behavior..

-What does your last sentence have to do with anything?..I haven't accused them of raping her, I just said it was a possibility..I've already acknowledged that any girl that takes part in a train is loose..I also acknowledge that they don't have to be drunk or vomiting..

However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..

[HarlemHeat37]

After reading a little about it, it also appears that the school tried to hide it..ya, so, that doesn't look bad..

[jag]

-Both guys also originally lied about what they did with the woman, so that hurts their credibility a lot..one of them denied that he had any sexual contact with her at all, which was proven to be false, and Neal said he only had oral sex with her, which was also proven to be false..

-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

Witnesses >>> He said/She said, especially when it involves apparent liars, at least IMO..

-The vomiting part interests me, because it's strange/creepy behavior, as I've already explained..if the rape accusations weren't enough, running a train on a vomiting girl is just creepy behavior..

-What does your last sentence have to do with anything?..I haven't accused them of raping her, I just said it was a possibility..I've already acknowledged that any girl that takes part in a train is loose..I also acknowledge that they don't have to be drunk or vomiting..

However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..

I'm not sitting here in a Gary Neal jersey, im not saying he's a great guy...but i here about stuff like this all the time with girls claiming rape. There's obviously athletes out there who will rape a girl, but there's also girls who will completely make that up. As far as her vomiting (even if it was consensual sex) i don't think there's any way to know that for sure either. Stories gets sensationalized and you'll start hearing outrageous things.

I'm sure there was a lot of pressure put on the school to get rid of him. So that doesn't really say much. And i don't see the Spurs signing a guy like Neal without doing their hw.

[xcoriate]

spurs brought in sj and got him on the right track

Pun intended?

[usdane]

So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

[DrSteffo]

So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

No I say you kick out Kobe and we kick out Gary Neal. Then we will stop.

[mountainballer]

the whole story is disgusting as disgusting can be. and that's aside the legal/rape/consensual thing. almost as disgusting as the inevitable comments from guys trying to somehow justify or downplay such a story, even blame the girl in the first place. I would really prefer any guy who stole some laptops or smoked some weed over him. and I remind all of you about the thousands of trash postings bashing those guys and praising the high standards of the Spurs when they were signed by another team.

[benefactor]

Read my post on page 3.

Ahh...didn't see that. Not great judgment, but it isn't allegedly forcing yourself on a woman either.

All in all it means little in regards to the whole picture. As of right now he is not much more than a situational gunner off the bench. If he has anymore problems his contract can easily be shipped out. I'm sure the Nuggets would love to have him.

[Obstructed_View]

So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

No, both of them are rapists.

[Obstructed_View]

u ing stupid i can tell u never drank with a girl, how u know they wasnt ing before she threw up,

I can tell you've never had a drink someone else didn't have to buy for you, and that you've never actually gotten laid.

[TJastal]

Are you one of these drunken people?..



Running a train is just taking turns on a ..usually it doesn't take place with only 2 guys though, but I guess everybody does it in a different way..the least I've ever seen is 3 guys, and the most I've ever seen is 9 IIRC..it was quite disgusting..

Let's say that we believe him and that he was having consensual sex with her before she was vomiting, continuing the act while the girl is vomiting is disgusting either way..it's not as bad as rape, but come on, she's throwing up..

The fact that he got kicked out of school is relevant IMO..there was definitely something serious going on for him to get kicked out of school, so I tend to believe that he ran a train and the passenger got train sick..

Worst case: They raped this girl..
Best case: They ran a train on her while she was vomiting..

Both cases are disgusting, even if one isn't as bad as the other..

He's apparently still good enough to be considered spurs material however. That Matt Barnes guy otoh, I heard he argued once with a coach and was sent to the locker room. Thank goodness we didn't sign that asshole...

[SuperDave]

However, IIRC, it was acknowledged and accepted that they ran a train on her while she was vomiting..he obviously got kicked out for a reason..

Acknowledged and accepted on here, maybe, but I haven't seen anywhere where the players acknowledged that part of her story.

As to the players being kicked out because of the incident proving the girl's version of events (or even just the vomiting portion), that doesn't follow at all. Lasalle is a Catholic university, and their image was badly battered by what happened, both the cover-up and the sordid testimony (apart even from the alleged lack of consent). Of course they are going to kick those guys out of school. The alumni would have revolted otherwise.

-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

I read several articles and never saw that anywhere. Link? The only witness testimony I saw from someone who wasn't directly involved was from a girl who said the other player told her right after the incident that he and Neal had both had consensual sex with the accuser. Presumably, this led to all the other girls finding out and (according the players' version) the accuser then fabricating the lack of consent in order to protect her reputation.

However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..

Again, where are you seeing this witness testimony?

After reading a little about it, it also appears that the school tried to hide it..ya, so, that doesn't look bad..

The school (actually, both the men's and women's basketball coaches, not the administration) tried to hide it because it occurred at a basketball camp and would be a huge PR blow even if the "rape" accusation wasn't true. Again this is a Catholic school and their basketball camp looked, at best, like something from a modernized version of Animal House. Even the fact that one of their camp counselors is having drunken sex with multiple players on school property is a huge embarassment.

[Agloco]

LOL college girls don't get raped. They're completely willing. This dude is a pro caliber athlete, it's not like he had a hard time getting any in college. Therefore; no reason to rape. That's the verdict. lol at this sons.

This competes for the stupidest post I've ever seen. No, I take that back. This one is a clear cut winner.

[dbestpro]

So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

Kobe is a rapist. Neal is an innocent bystander who was walking along and just tripped.

[Agloco]

Running a train is just taking turns on a ..usually it doesn't take place with only 2 guys though, but I guess everybody does it in a different way..the least I've ever seen is 3 guys, and the most I've ever seen is 9 IIRC..it was quite disgusting..

This from the guy who champions porn as a plus for society. Don't tell me that you haven't enjoyed rubbing one out to a good old fashioned gang bang or bukakke scene before. GMAFB.

[Agloco]

No, both of them are rapists.

The US Justice system begs to differ. But to each his own.

[Agloco]

I find it hard to believe that they would kick him out without knowing something..did he fight the decision?..the vomiting story sounds believable to me, so does making up the rape accusations out of embarrassment of getting ed while vomiting..

You don't find sex while vomiting to be strange and creepy?..


It's not like I sat there and examined it closely..

But according to your own posts, you did bother to examine it. Also, after a 6 pack and a few shots, I'd be hard pressed to find many things that anyone would find "strange and creepy". And yes, anything involving sex is usually the first thing to get scratched off of the list.

[SuperDave]

The US Justice system begs to differ.

Indeed. Precious little weight has been given on this thread to the fact that Neal was acquitted. Further, the fact that he didn't even plead guilty to a lesser-included offense to avoid trial speaks pretty loudly in itself.

[dbestpro]

Indeed. Precious little weight has been given on this thread to the fact that Neal was acquitted. Further, the fact that he didn't even plead guilty to a lesser-included offense to avoid trial speaks pretty loudly in itself.

In the world of Spurstalk, perception is stronger than reality.

[cd98]

Indeed. Precious little weight has been given on this thread to the fact that Neal was acquitted. Further, the fact that he didn't even plead guilty to a lesser-included offense to avoid trial speaks pretty loudly in itself.

Except that date rape crimes are very difficult to prosecute. Many criminals are able to escape the rap because it all comes down to a he/said she/said and the criminal standard is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. For that reason, lots of men will actually fight in court rather than plea to a lesser crime (again all depends on the facts of the case and the credibility of the victim). However, beating the rap doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong.

I'm not familier with the Neal case, so I can't discuss it fairly.

But some of these guys that get away with it at the trial level, quickly settle out in a civil suit where the evidentiary s ard is much, much lower.

Unfortunately, many of these punks rarely get held accountable for their actions.

[Agloco]

Except that date rape crimes are very difficult to prosecute. Many criminals are able to escape the rap because it all comes down to a he/said she/said and the criminal standard is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm not familier with the Neal case, so I can't discuss it fairly.

But some of these guys that get away with it at the trial level, quickly settle out in a civil suit where the evidentiary s is much, much lower.

Unfortunately, many of these punks rarely get hold accountable for their actions.

Indeed. Precious little weight has been given on this thread to the fact that Neal was acquitted. Further, the fact that he didn't even plead guilty to a lesser-included offense to avoid trial speaks pretty loudly in itself.

[cd98]

In the world of Spurstalk, perception is stronger than reality.

One of the advantagous of a he/said she/said defense is that you can beat a criminal charge because its difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

The flip side is that because its a he/said she/said defense, people (the general public) may not believe you.

Better not to put yourself in that situation.

[Obstructed_View]

The US Justice system begs to differ. But to each his own.

Yeah and OJ and Klaus Von Bulow didn't murder anyone. Sorry that another rape doesn't make Kobe any less of a s bag than he was before.

[SuperDave]

One of the advantagous of a he/said she/said defense is that you can beat a criminal charge because its difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

The flip side is that because its a he/said she/said defense, people (the general public) may not believe you.

Better not to put yourself in that situation.

What if the situation is simply that you had consensual sex with a girl after everyone had been drinking, and she later fabricated a "too drunk to consent" excuse to protect her reputation?

And now your reputation is ruined for the rest of your life, and you've got even the owner/moderator of the forum jumping to the conclusion that the accuser's version is accurate, despite the evidence to the contrary.