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    http://www.americanexperiment.org/pu...823kersten.php


    The numbers tell the story. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 came to a vote after a 57-day filibuster engineered by Southern Democrats among them Sen. Al Gore Sr. father of the current Democratic presidential nominee. (Gore refused to vote to end the filibuster despite a personal plea from President Lyndon Johnson.) In the face of serious Democratic opposition, only strong Republican support could end the filibuster and ensure that the bill became law.

    When the final congressional vote was tallied, Republican support exceeded Democratic support by a substantial margin. Eighty percent of House Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, but only 63 percent of Democrats. Eighty-two percent of Senate Republicans voted yea, while only 69 percent of Democrats did so.

    The vote on these two bills followed a pattern set much earlier. In the 26 major civil rights votes between 1933 and 1964, a majority of Democrats opposed the legislation over 80 percent of the time, while a Republican majority favored it over 96 percent of the time.

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    member of a right-wing Democratic splinter group in the 1948 U.S. presidential election organized by Southerners who objected to the civil rights program of the Democratic Party. It met at Birmingham, Ala., and on July 17, 1948, nominated Gov. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for president and Gov. Fielding L. Wright of Mississippi for vice president. The Dixiecrats, who opposed federal regulations they considered to interfere with states’ rights, carried South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, to receive 39 electoral votes; their popular vote totalled over 1,000,000.

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    http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1751.html

    Politics and Public Service, 1948-Present

    President Franklin Roosevelt's electoral body in 1945 had included a diverse, in fact contradictory, set of elements — both conservatives and liberals, northern and southern Democrats and Republicans. By 1948, however, the civil rights issue revealed the real philosophical differences between northern and southern Democrats as never before. The move of Southern states from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican began to take place. In that environment, the Dixiecrats and the “Southern Strategy” was born.


    At the 1948 Democratic National Convention, a group led by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota proposed some controversial new civil rights planks of racial integration and the reversal of Jim Crow laws to be included in the party platform. Southern Democrats were dismayed. President Harry S. Truman was caught in the middle for his recent executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. As a compromise, he proposed the adoption of only those planks that had been in the 1944 platform. That was not enough for the liberals. Truman's own civil rights initiatives had made the civil rights debate unavoidable.

    The planks were adopted and 35 southern Democrats walked out in protest. They formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, which became popularly known as the Dixiecrats. Their campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever!” Their platform also included “states’ rights” to freedom from governmental interference in an individual's or organization's prerogative to do business with whomever they wanted.

    New York moderate Nelson Rockefeller's defeat in the presidential primary election marked the beginning of the end of moderates and liberals in the Republican Party.

    Clearer political and ideological lines began to be drawn between the Democrat and Republican parties as moderates and liberals converted from Republican to Democrat. Conservatives in the Democratic Party began to move to the increasingly conservative Republican Party.

    Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax while endorsing segregation and the "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.


    By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.
    Other presidential candidates, such as Republican Richard M. Nixon in 1968, have effectively used the Southern strategy of "states' rights" and racial inequality to garner votes from the racially conservative electorate in the southern states.

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    cool website.

    Q: What is Center of the American Experiment?

    A: Center of the American Experiment is a nonpartisan, tax-exempt, public policy, and educational ins ution.
    Q: What types of events does American Experiment host?

    A: American Experiment hosts a variety of public policy events and forums. The two most well known of those events are our Annual Dinner, which is held each spring, and our Fall Briefing. Numerous world leaders have spoken at these events, including Former President George Bush, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and Margaret Thatcher.
    Q: What is American Experiment’s FACT Program and IntellectualTakeout.com?

    A: FACT, Foundations in Active Conservative Thinking, is a program of Center of the American Experiment designed to provide students with the tools they need to advocate for conservative ideas and causes on campus.
    I like how they blatantly lie about themselves within the first three paragraphs of their FAQ page.


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    I like how they blatantly lie about themselves within the first three paragraphs of their FAQ page.



    Are the figures in the OP wrong? Because I can back them up.

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    @DarrinS:

    Would Republicans vote for civil rights bills 96% of the time in the 21st century? Why or why not?

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    When the South was poor, the South was Democratic, racist, including benighted TX. Then the South "rose again", Brown v Wade, Civil/Voting Rights, segregation outlawed, and Repug Southern Strategy moved the Dem racists to being Repug racists. The Repugs sorta "stole" the southern/border racists from the Dems.

    The extreme right-wing tea bagging fringe is racist, just like its 1960s precursor, the John Birch Society.

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    The Repugs sorta "stole" the southern/border racists from the Dems.
    That's a reach. I'd say they migrated of their own free will.

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    I didn't say they were forced to be Repugs, but southern/border/rural bubba racists hear the dog whistles and get lathered up on queue.

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    @DarrinS:

    Would Republicans vote for civil rights bills 96% of the time in the 21st century? Why or why not?

    Is there anything (be specific) that would indicate to you that they wouldn't?


    By sheer coincidence, 96% is the same percentage of African-American voters that voted for Obama. I wonder how whites would be viewed if they voted for McCain at such an astonishing rate.

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    Are the figures in the OP wrong? Because I can back them up.
    When I check out the source and find out they are coming from a biased place, it throws up red flags for me.

    Feel free to back up the figures in the OP.

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    @DarrinS:

    Would Republicans vote for civil rights bills 96% of the time in the 21st century? Why or why not?
    If they were needed.

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    Another disingenuous article.

    Why did they stop at 1964?

    Please explain, Darrin.

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    Another disingenuous article.

    Why did they stop at 1964?

    Please explain, Darrin.

    Your Google broke?


    Besides, what significant civil rights legislation has there been since then?


    Please explain.

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    When I check out the source and find out they are coming from a biased place, it throws up red flags for me.

    Feel free to back up the figures in the OP.

    Your Google broke?

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    Your Google broke?
    That isn't an answer.

    I'm asking you why they stopped at 1964.

    Please explain.

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    So...it's a good thing to invest ourselves in the past (50 years in the past) when it serves to show the Republican in a positive light, but it's a bad thing to question Republican actions over the last 25 years?

    It has, in the normal course of discussion, occured to EVERYONE here that it's silly to pretend either party gives a about anything other than serving its own special interests at any given time in history, right? RIGHT?!?!?!

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    That isn't an answer.

    I'm asking you why they stopped at 1964.

    Please explain.

    What civil rights legislation has been passed since that time?

    Please explain.

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    le VII of the 1964 act was expanded upon in 1991. There have been about seven major civil rights laws passed in the period we are discussing. Most having to do with the disabled. Of course there have been numerous laws passed concerning minorities in the meantime as well.

    Now, could you tell me if anything happened to the makeup of the two parties as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

    Please explain.

    Or just be a and try to run away from it.
    Last edited by ChumpDumper; 07-23-2010 at 01:57 PM.

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    Are the figures in the OP wrong? Because I can back them up.
    Your Google broke?
    No, but you offered to back them up and I'm taking you up on it.

    What the is wrong with posters ability to read what they wrote?

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    So...it's a good thing to invest ourselves in the past (50 years in the past) when it serves to show the Republican in a positive light, but it's a bad thing to question Republican actions over the last 25 years?

    What actions would those be?


    By the way, can anyone tell me how blacks have benefitted from so-called "progressive" policies in the last 40 or so years. I sure know that Democrat politicians have benefitted.

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    No, but you offered to back them up and I'm taking you up on it.

    What the is wrong with posters ability to read what they wrote?

    The votes are a matter of public record, i.e. you can Google them.

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    le VII of the 1964 act was expanded upon in 1991. There have been about seven major civil rights laws passed in the period we are discussing. Most having to do with the disabled. Of course there have been numerous laws passed concerning minorities in the meantime as well.

    Now, could you tell me if anything happened to the makeup of the two parties as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

    Please explain.

    Or just be a and try to run away from it.

    Since you seem to know, why don't you stop being a and just post it.

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    The votes are a matter of public record, i.e. you can Google them.
    You said YOU could back them up, i.e.:
    I can back them up.

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    Since you seem to know, why don't you stop being a and just post it.
    So you don't know?

    I'll believe you if you admit you are completely ignorant in this matter.

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