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  1. 07-25-2010 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullsDynasty
    I knew I should have used another example instead of Duncan. This thread just turned into a Duncan thread and thats not my point. Im just arguing that rings shouldn't be a factor in determining G.O.A.Ts
    YES, it should be the number one factor, stats and ALL NBA honors should be 2nd and 3rd ...
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  2. 07-25-2010 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullsDynasty
    I knew I should have used another example instead of Duncan. This thread just turned into a Duncan thread and thats not my point. Im just arguing that rings shouldn't be a factor in determining G.O.A.Ts
    lol fine, I digress

    IMO, rings SHOULD be used to determine GOAT. This game is about winning, how can you be considered the greatest if you've never won? And I mean winning being the man, or at least 1b (so none of that bob horry ). End of story, like, I don't understand how people don't see this.

    It's a sport, there is winning, and there's losing. Winners are remembered, losers are forgotten.
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  3. 07-25-2010 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullsDynasty
    I knew I should have used another example instead of Duncan. This thread just turned into a Duncan thread and thats not my point. Im just arguing that rings shouldn't be a factor in determining G.O.A.Ts
    No Duncan isn't the GOAT. Bad choice of analogy.
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  4. 07-25-2010 #29
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    Christ, if there was any actual footage of MJ those 2 years in Washington in existence we could give him a red ass over it, but, there ain't.

    It's like it never happened.
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  5. 07-25-2010 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    It's tough typing on here while I'm tying up my 12 year old boys at the same time
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  6. 07-25-2010 #31
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    No, they shouldn't. Rings are a team accomplishment, team accomplishments shouldn't measure how good a player is individually.
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  7. 07-25-2010 #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasmavsnfuego214
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    Heat doin' ya like that. And you lettin' 'em.

    ha, ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasmavsnfuego as Giuseppe
    It's tough typing on here while I'm tying up my 12 year old boys at the same time
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  9. 07-25-2010 #34
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    ^ I still got it, Vet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    Hey if they're old enough to pee, they're old enough for me
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  11. 07-25-2010 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasmavsnfuego214
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    O & Forever!

    ha, ha.
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  12. 07-25-2010 #37
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    It's the only thing that matters to be honest. No rings=joke of a team and not deserving to be watched. Only stick to watching championship teams is the way to go.
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  13. 07-25-2010 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    Heat doin' ya like that. And you lettin' 'em.

    ha, ha.
    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    ^ I still got it, Vet!
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    O & Forever!

    ha, ha.
    Cubby once again with some great basketball takes
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUMP
    Cubby once again with some great basketball takes
    Crucify em BUMP, tie that 57 year old sandbox loitering around ass to the tree of woe!
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  15. 07-25-2010 #40
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    GOAT should be a combination of

    1. Being the #1 guy on your team
    2. HOF stats
    3. Championships

    IMO, you need to meet all 3 criteria in order to be involved an any GOAT discussion.

    As far as I am concerned Russell, Jabbar, and Jordan are the top 3 in consideration for the GOAT in NBA history.
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  16. 07-25-2010 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    Of course there is. MJ said he wouldn't give up 81 to Kobe, but he sure as didn't mind giving up 42 in a half.
    Jordan didn't guard Kobe once in that video. Not once. Plus Jordan was 40. Massive, Epic uber-fail.
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  17. 07-25-2010 #42
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    Sadly, rings have gotten overrated when it comes to ranking players, and it's pretty much directly attributed to the media/Al-Quobe..

    When Kobe wasn't winning, winning was irrelevant in these discussions..I'm not making this up, if anybody was on internet message boards or just following basketball in general around 2006 and 2007, you would know that winning wasn't everything..

    Now that Kobe has won some rings in the post-Gasol era, they're starting to bring his name up in comparisons vs. Magic and Jordan, citing rings as pretty much the only reason..it's not a valid argument, but it will certainly continue to be a primary argument by the media and Al-Quobe..
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  18. 07-25-2010 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veterinarian
    Crucify em BUMP, tie that 57 year old sandbox loitering around ass to the tree of woe!
    It "Conan" was on last night.

    muhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  19. 07-25-2010 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimsah
    Since this is all hypothetical, what do you think Duncan's stats would look like if he was on a bad team that had no other options?
    Touché

    Fail thread
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  20. 07-25-2010 #45
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    What a stupid ing post. A player with 10 rings wouldn't ever be considered better than a player that averaged a quadruple ing double. You got too aggressive with your argument and made it ing re ed.
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  21. 07-25-2010 #46
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    Tim is great. He's not the question.

    Perspective requires the ability to look back at how dominant other players were with their contemporaries.

    Ruth is the GOAT because of how far he excelled his opponents. If Wilt were playing today he would still be a beast. In boxing I offer up Salvador Sanchez as an example. The guy was a destroyer and died at 22. If he had lived he would be talking about Sanchez/ Duran or Sanchez/Leonard as fights of the century.
    If a Tim Duncan actually existed in the 60's and played for the Lakers, the Celtics playoff run wouldn't exist. Duncan's greatnest is founded on the fact that he makes any team greater than they were.

    Imagine MJ with Tim but no Pippin!!!
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  22. 07-25-2010 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    I'll beg to differ, HarlemHo. When Kobe was torching the league during the years you posted, the entire world of basketball came up with this theory that you have to be the best player on the best team to win an MVP. You all created this theory that it had nothing to do with the best numbers, or the best player, but the award must go to the best player on the best team. Also, Kobe will retire with more points scored than Magic, Bird, and MJ.
    Shooting 45% isn't exactly "torching," imho.
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  23. 07-25-2010 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    It is when you taking the high degree difficult shots that Kobe was taking. Would you like for me to start a thread giving examples?
    So you can pick and choose highlights taken totally out of context? How would that prove anything?

    Does the excuse making for Kobe ever end?
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  24. 07-25-2010 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    It is when you taking the high degree difficult shots that Kobe was taking. Would you like for me to start a thread giving examples?
    You mean when he was gunning up 18 foot fadeaways with 21 showing on the shot clock?
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  25. 07-25-2010 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelophehad
    You mean when he was gunning up 18 foot fadeaways with 21 showing on the shot clock?
    "But, but, but he had to take those shots because he was playing with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown!"
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