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Very good chance.
After game 7 of the Finals when Pau put up 19 and 18, leading his team to victory, I can never doubt the Lakers again.
As long as Pau stays healthy, the Lakers aren't going anywhere.
Lakaluva is just talking out of his ass. He hardly knew the NBA existed prior to February 1st, 2008. Just look at his join date.
Whaddup fam
Very good chance.
After game 7 of the Finals when Pau put up 19 and 18, leading his team to victory, I can never doubt the Lakers again.
As long as Pau stays healthy, the Lakers aren't going anywhere.
You all came up with the theory? When was the last time the MVP award went to someone on a sub 50 win team? MVP has always been somewhere in between best player on best team and best player in general. It's never been one or the other. In 2007 when Kobe put up slightly better numbers than Dirk but Dirk was on the best regular season team, he won MVP. In 2008 Lebron put up slightly better numbers than Kobe but since Kobe was on a way better, top 3 team, he won MVP. It goes both ways.I'll beg to differ, HarlemHo. When Kobe was torching the league during the years you posted, the entire world of basketball came up with this theory that you have to be the best player on the best team to win an MVP. You all created this theory that it had nothing to do with the best numbers, or the best player, but the award must go to the best player on the best team. Also, Kobe will retire with more points scored than Magic, Bird, and MJ.
And for my money, 2007 regular season Dirk was a better player than Kobe Bryant, as was 2005 Nash.
Kobe was a beast in '06 and the league's best player that year. I can't dispute that. But he didn't get ripped off of "multiple MVPs" like Kobe fan s claim, thinking he should've won 4 straight MVPs from 05 to 08.
This is true, plus every dedicated fan knows Kobe's advanced stats have always been extremely underwhelming. He's never led the league in any advanced statistic except for usage rate in 06. The idea that he got robbed really doesn't exist outside of LA County. At least not like the widely acknowledged belief that Jordan got robbed in 93 and 97 and perhaps even that Shaq got robbed in 01.
But what about his other stats? Why are you so preoccupied with PPG?
In 2006, Dirk bested Kobe in every stat but PPG and steals, leading the league in PER.
cherry picking stats..
Even ignoring advanced stats, what about Jordan's 8 rebounds and 8 assists per game?..54% shooting?..3 steals and 1 block a game?..
The 1988 Bulls won 50 games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1988.html
try again
Jordan averaged 32, 8, and 8 plus was defensive player of the year with insane block and steal number that embarrass Kobe's career bests. Really stop shaming Kobe by comparing him to Jordan people. It's not fair to him.
Damn, beat me to it.
Even ignoring advanced stats, what about Jordan's 8 rebounds and 8 assists per game?..54% shooting?..3 steals and 1 block a game?..
Kobe's better at jacking up 3's than Jordan that's about it.
Plus in 1988 the Bulls won 50 games and MJ actually averaged 35 PPG (not 32.5) while shooting 53.5% from the field. I have no idea what luva is talking about.
you were so excited because you thought you found an example that made my post sound re ed. You must be disappointed.
No you haven't.
All it does is combine everything that can be measured statistically, adjusts those numbers for pace, and comes out with a number.
It is biased against assists, but as DoK explored in his thread, assists might be overrated anyhow. Even many authorities have called it the most overrated stat in basketball.
It's not Just PER its every advanced statistic. Even ones that aren't in any way complicated like Rebound rate (the percentage of available rebounds you grab), Assist ratio (your rate of assists per possession), block ratio, steal ratio etc. We've been through this already and established you had no intelligent comebacks for these facts:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156993
And ignoring the 50 win part, I'm showing you that Jordan's season was historic, which would allow him to win an MVP, even with a team that wasn't as good..it wasn't just the points, it was the efficiency, the defense, the all-around game..
Kobe had a historic scoring season from a point total standpoint, but the rest of his game wasn't great enough to make it some historical season that would make it an outrage that he didn't win MVP over Nash or Nowitzki..
Luva getting on, as usual.
Gonna be fun to see him try to dig his way out of this one.
MJ didn't win MVP in 1989 (the year you were talking about). He never won MVP on a sub 50 win team.
lol dumbass pigger
My takes-
1. Championships is one factor that help determines greatness.
2. Basketball stats are also a factor, but you kave to keep in mind that those stats are ALSO influenced by the teams you play on. A great player on a crappy team will have "better" stats than a great player on a great team. Also, having a great PG setting you up will help your stats. These are just a couple of examples.
3. MJ was much better than Kobe, and anyone who doesn't agree is a younger fan who didn't see MJ play in his prime. Also, MJ has great stats and I'm not sure how someone could disagree.
4. I do think it is true that some players like Barkley, Ewing, Malone are unfairly downgraded because they didn't rings as the top player on a team. The problem is that some years it is much easier to win a ring. Also, supporting cast is a big factor.
5. Duncan who have had "better" stats, in the sense of higher PPG, RPG etc. if he played on a bad team. But he wouldn't have 4 rings.
I like watching you get bent over by the entire NBA Forum.
Lets be friends
Almost as re ed as saying MJ won MVP on a 47 win team.
I don't necessarily look at a guy like Karl Malone and bring him down because he doesn't have rings..if he had performed consistently well in the playoffs, it wouldn't be a big deal IMO..I look at the fact that he had a lot of choke jobs in the playoffs and didn't consistently step up, not the fact that he doesn't have rings(although obviously the choke jobs are directly tied to that to an extent)..
I do find that guys like Malone, Robinson and Ewing are underrated due to their lack of hardware(Robinson as a #1), but they did have their fair share of choke jobs..
Also, PER is obviously a flawed stat, anybody that uses it as their primary argument doesn't know what they're doing..it's good to throw in though, but it's basically just a box score summary with a slight twist anyways..
Every stat can be used if you're combining them in an argument, not using 1 individual stat as a primary argument though..
Really, Kobe has 1 MVP and maybe should have 2. Jordan should have 7 MVP's; he was robbed in 93, we all know that and he was assraped in 97. How does the universally recognized best player in the world lead the league in scoring and lead a team to 69 ing wins and not get MVP? It's unfathomable.
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