I think the Spurs are done for the offseason

[ElNono]

I think the Spurs are pretty much done making moves. At least anything significative, salary wise.

This is the salary list for this season so far (mostly from hoopshype, please correct me if you notice anything odd):

Tim Duncan: $18,835,381
Tony Parker: $13,500,000
Manu Ginobili: $11,854,584
Richard Jefferson: $8,400,000
Antonio McDyess: $4,860,000
Matt Bonner: $3,050,000
Tiago Splitter: $3,400,000
James Anderson: $1,361,400
George Hill: $854,389
DeJuan Blair: $918,000
Malik Hairston: $854,389 (not fully guaranteed)
Alonzo Gee: $762,195 (not fully guaranteed - $854,389 count towards tax)
Garret Temple: $762,195 (not fully guaranteed - $854,389 count towards tax)
Gary Neal: $510,000 ($854,389 count towards tax)

Total: $70,451,310 (this figure is what counts towards the tax)

Now, remember that the luxury tax for 2010/2011 is $70,307,000

Jerrels is also under a $762,195 partially guaranteed contract, but I believe at this point it's inevitable that he's going to be waived.

I think the Spurs are going to really try to stay under the cap at least until training camp to see what they have, and guaranteeing some of those contracts from the kids (I believe they have until Aug 5 to do so with Temple).

There's also the incentive to stay under the luxury tax line to fetch some of that redistribution at the end of the season, which they could do even if they sign Parker to an extension.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

I think every player counts at least 854k against the luxury tax though

I also I thought I read the Gary Neal contract was $3m/3 years, which would have him starting on that figure (854k) anyway

[ElNono]

I think every player counts at least 854k against the luxury tax though

I also I thought I read the Gary Neal contract was $3m/3 years, which would have him starting on that figure anyway

Thanks. Unfortunately, we still don't have solid numbers for Bonner either. I've seen starting as low as $2,875,000, which would make more sense than the $3m reported in ESPN. I think we're probably barely under the lux tax if you wiggle with those numbers. If we're not, I expect one of Hairston or Gee to be cut or sent to the Toros if possible (Gee specifically).

[alamo50]

We are still short a solid seasoned defender.

[lurker23]

I agree that there's a pretty good chance the Spurs are done for the off-season. Here is a good thread for salary figures and estimates:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158106

One of the key posts on this subject comes from the multi-talented Bruno, who offers up these figures:

Spurs situation regarding the luxury tax:

Players with guaranteed contracts
Duncan + Parker + Ginobili + McDyess + Blair + Hill : $50.82M
Matt Bonner: $3.05M
Tiago Splitter: $3.4M
Richard Jefferson: $8.4M
Gary Neal: $.85M (against the tax)

$66.52M for 10 players

James Anderson will likely be signed. His salary will be between $0.91M and $1.36M.

Spurs payroll will be between $67.43M and $67.88M for 11 players. Spurs are between $2.43M and $2.88M.

If Spurs want to stay below the tax:
- They won't be able to have a 15 players roster.
- They should be able to carry a 14 players roster if they are able to sign Anderson for only 100% of the rookie scale and if the players waived aren't Gee and Temple.
- They will have no problem at staying under the tax with a 13 players roster.

I think the Spurs probably have it worked out where they can only cut one of their non-guaranteed contracts, carry 14 players, and stay under the luxury tax.

Another key point to consider is that RC Buford said during summer league that the Spurs would likely carry 17 or 18 guys into training camp, with a few of the guys being evaluated for the Toros. Well, unless someone is unexpectedly waived in the next couple months, the Spurs already have 15. I don't see any of those 15 as just being Toros bound, though it's possible that the front office views a couple of the non-guaranteed contracts that way.

[rascal]

The spurs basically are trying to win by just adding their draft picks. Most of their entire team is their draft picks. No upgrades through trades or free agency like other teams do.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Tiago Splitter is better than any free agent we could have gotten for the MLE.

are there free agents who'd come here for the money we have?

we've done smarter than any side with similar financial constraints to ours, in my opinion.



also, when you've picked Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and DeJuan Blair in the second round, you should figure playing your draft picks may be a good tactic to employ

[rascal]

Tiago Splitter is better than any free agent we could have gotten for the MLE.

are there free agents who'd come here for the money we have?

we've done smarter than any side with similar financial constraints to ours, in my opinion.



also, when you've picked Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and DeJuan Blair in the second round, you should figure playing your draft picks may be a good tactic to employ

The spurs have put themselves in those financial constraints. I have been hearing the same tired excuse for the last few years.

[rascal]

Double post

[Duncan2177]

I think the Spurs are pretty much done making moves. At least anything significative, salary wise.

This is the salary list for this season so far (mostly from hoopshype, please correct me if you notice anything odd):

Tim Duncan: $18,700,000
Tony Parker: $13,500,000
Manu Ginobili: $11,854,584
Richard Jefferson: $8,400,000
Antonio McDyess: $4,860,000
Matt Bonner: $3,000,000 (unconfirmed)
Tiago Splitter: $3,400,000
James Anderson: $1,361,400
George Hill: $1,157,160
DeJuan Blair: $918,000
Malik Hairston: $854,389 (not fully guaranteed)
Alonzo Gee: $762,195 (not fully guaranteed)
Garret Temple: $762,195 (not fully guaranteed)
Gary Neal: $500,000 (unconfirmed)

Total: $70,029,923

Now, remember that the luxury tax for 2010/2011 is $70,307,000

Jerrels is also under a $762,195 partially guaranteed contract, but I believe at this point it's inevitable that he's going to be waived.

I think the Spurs are going to really try to stay under the cap at least until training camp to see what they have, and guaranteeing some of those contracts from the kids (I believe they have until Aug 5 to do so with Temple).

There's also the incentive to stay under the luxury tax line to fetch some of that redistribution at the end of the season, which they could do even if they sign Parker to an extension.

If thats the case we are not going to the nba finals. The spurs need depth on there bench.

[Amarelooms]

NBA finals??? Good one son....I needed a laugh today

[Duncan2177]

NBA finals??? Good one son....I needed a laugh today

Im not your son dumbass.

[quentin_compson]

The spurs basically are trying to win by just adding their draft picks. Most of their entire team is their draft picks. No upgrades through trades or free agency like other teams do.

Well, they had a pretty big trade that brought RJ to SA just about a year ago. Alright, he didn't bring what everyone was hoping for - doesn't change the fact that it was a comparatively big trade.
Also, Dice was a guy a number of teams wanted to have and he chose the Spurs.

[Sean Cagney]

NBA finals??? Good one son....I needed a laugh today

Why is this clown still in here after this years first round talking trash?

Whats funny is the thought of your Mavs getting out of round one.

[Ditty]

If thats the case we are not going to the nba finals. The spurs need depth on there bench.

The spurs do have some depth but have too many SG's I still beleive the spurs are a real Sf defender away from being a contender. I really didnt like the neal signing too much I rather be giving all the minutes to anderson or hairston as back up shooting guard to ,but I still beleive spurs will try to get a small foward at sometime even if it may be at the trade deadline, I don't think Gee will be good enough to back up Jefferson.

[ElNono]

Updated the OP with latest contract info. By my calculations, Spurs are still under the lux tax threshold. We still need better info on Bonner's contract.

[8FOR!3]

I think we've got one more backup SF signing in us, or MAYBE a sixth big man, but that's it.

[Chieflion]

Seriously, we don't need more depth. We need a top 8 player on the Spurs to seriously contend. Depth all the way to the 12th man is almost useless in the playoffs. I think we are just playoff fodder at this point.

[TJastal]

Spurs might make a mid-season trade if one (or more) of Gee/Hairston/Anderson can't adequately play RJ's backup minutes. No way they are signing anyone else at this point.

Quite frankly, I think its very plausible that one of the above three will be playing so well as to be promoted to the starting lineup while Jefferson is benched.

[TJastal]

I think we've got one more backup SF signing in us, or MAYBE a sixth big man, but that's it.

Maybe Shaq will sign for the minimum huh?!! Wouldn't that be cool, dude.

[2Cleva]

Seriously, we don't need more depth. We need a top 8 player on the Spurs to seriously contend. Depth all the way to the 12th man is almost useless in the playoffs. I think we are just playoff fodder at this point.

Agreed. Depth isn't SA's issue - the lack of impact players is.

[spursfaninla]

Agreed. Depth isn't SA's issue - the lack of impact players is.

Manu and TP are still high impact players. Duncan will also still impact games, but less so over the course of the season compared to the playoffs.

The problem is not a lack of impact players, it is having enough big impact players. Having stars at pg, sg, and sf in today's game would be very hard to win it.

Spurs have 2 players who, if healthy, will play like all-stars, but they are both in the back court. TD will play well, and I expect Dblair and Splitter to play well also. If we get enough improvement from RJ, Hill, or contributions from any of the other new back court players, we have plenty of firepower.

The question is can we stop good front courts.

Lakers basically won with Kobe, Odom and Gasol; bynum was in and out of the lineup and was inconsistent.

Artest had a few good games in the playoffs, but was not a big part of the regular season success and so I would not call him an "impact" player.

[Leonard Curse]

Agreed. Depth isn't SA's issue - the lack of impact players is.

dammit im such a freakin homer, i got caught up in the savior coming and forgot to look at the big picture, the reason i agree is i bet tiago will play well but were expecting him to carry a heavy heavy load on his first year poor guy he had no idea pop lost his NBA genius mind and poop's his pants frequently while coaching on wine

+ ==== thats all folks

[2Cleva]

Manu and TP are still high impact players. Duncan will also still impact games, but less so over the course of the season compared to the playoffs.

The problem is not a lack of impact players, it is having enough big impact players. Having stars at pg, sg, and sf in today's game would be very hard to win it.

Spurs have 2 players who, if healthy, will play like all-stars, but they are both in the back court. TD will play well, and I expect Dblair and Splitter to play well also. If we get enough improvement from RJ, Hill, or contributions from any of the other new back court players, we have plenty of firepower.

The question is can we stop good front courts.

Lakers basically won with Kobe, Odom and Gasol; bynum was in and out of the lineup and was inconsistent.

Artest had a few good games in the playoffs, but was not a big part of the regular season success and so I would not call him an "impact" player.

LA first - Bynum was more consistent than Odom. Outside of the Phx series - LO was trash. As I pointed out in another thread, Bynum was huge in the OKC series - got hurt, and only showed glimpses the rest of the playoffs.

Disregarding Artest because of the regular season is foolish. Considering the focus on the tri, it was assumed he'd have bumps. And don't get so caught up in scoring. The defensive impact guys like Artest and Bynum had were HUGE for LA. It allows Kobe and Pau to focus on scoring.

As for SA - come playoffs those impact players weren't making the same impact. If SA's big 3 isn't better than LA's big 3 (which its not), then SA needs players 4-8 to be better than LA 4-8 (its not even close unless Splitter is a great player immediately).

Depth helps to keep the aches and pains away in the reg season but come playoffs its all about the Top 8.

[Darkwaters]

also, when you've picked Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and DeJuan Blair in the second round, you should figure playing your draft picks may be a good tactic to employ

Tony Parker was actually a late first round pick. Much like George Hill.

Now, on the other hand, Luis Scola was a 2nd rounder...


....oh, right.