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The max 3...then Shaq would it up.
his team signed a 24 year old Shaq the off season he was drafted?
We are trying to raise the bar, so I came up with a hypothetical worthy of discussion. Michael Jordan never had a dominant big man to play with, so I, Frank Lucas, pose the question to Spurstalk asking how many rings he would have won if the Bulls signed a 24 year old Shaq the Summer he was drafted.
I personally believe he wins 10+ rings. Neither he nor Shaq had a real co-star till around their 6th or 7th years in the league, so in addition to the 6 he wins after his 7th season he wins 4 in his first 6.
The max 3...then Shaq would it up.
Since this is a basketball discussion thread please provide facts and knowledge. What makes you think Shaq would it up?
See Lakers
See Phoenix (with a 2 time MVP)
See Cleveland (with a 2 time MVP)
See Miami (1 and done)
See...only the future will tell.
, if Kobe wouldnt have ed it up...........the Lakers may have won 6 straight back then. Ego trippin.
Well this doesn't make much sense. The Suns couldn't win without him and neither could the Cavs. It's not really his fault he couldn't take a team to a championship level when they were never there without him.
u r stupid....shaq didnt it up for the lakers....kobe did with his ego.....
If they could co-exist (which would be improbable based on Jordan's ego and Shaq's history), they could have possibly won 6+ les. Also depends on what era they play in. In the 90s, 6+ easily. In the 2000s, I think fewer but maybe around 5-6.
And then Michael would replace Kobe/Scottie Pippen as the best #2 player on a championship team. Michael would be regarded probably roughly around a top 10 player, but not in the discussion of GOAT. He might have a scoring le or two as Shaq got older and sat out long stretches of regular seasons. Jordan would have zero Finals MVPs, maybe 1 League MVP if he were lucky. He'd be the best among those second options of Kobe, Pippen, McHale, and the like.
Well, the bulls never won before Jordan became godly....you just proved my point.
Also, I believe MJ wouldn't be able to get a long with a guy like Shaq after 2 or 3 rings due to personality conflicts. MJ wanted to be the man and it manifested into him dominating the league for years.
Now if they were to play nice, than yeah for sure rings a plenty. The better arguement would be if Shaq was drafted and went to the Bulls prior to MJ winning.....like in his 4 or 5th season.
Exactly, precisely and metaphorically sound.
Really....who's left winning rings in LA (with his gigantic Ego and who's left chasing glory like a fat kid at thanksgiving)
Shaq won a ring before LA did once he left iirc
Truthfully, he would probably get bored and retire after winning 6-7 in his first 7-8 years. A common misconception is that MJ needed a while to learn and how to win. Bill Simmons properly argues in his book that Jordan matured early but that his team kept murdering him every spring.
Honestly, its sad seeing a good knowledgeable poster like Jamstone turn re ed when it comes to Jordan. His Jordan hatred makes him bend over backwards to come up with arguments to bash Jordan. Every compliment comes with like two three sentences of but...yada, yada, yada. It's tiresome as tbh.
Jammy actually has a solid take. He watched MJ play and knows the perils of a guy like that playing alongside a dude like Shaq.
You honestly think Michael Jordan would cower and play second fiddle to Shaq? Or do you think Shaq would have done vice versa to Jordan?
I'm sorry, but Jordan wasn't going to take a backseat to anyone. He got pissed at teammates if they played well against him in practice. Forget about taking over as the number 1 guy on the team. For all his revisionist praise he's given to Scottie, he never let Scottie take over the team. He never relented and let Scottie have the ball in his hands late in close games.
Do you honestly believe Jordan would have let Shaq become a superstar for the sake of winning championships? The only reason Jordan isn't questioned about his desire to win before anything else is because he won his way. He never had to compromise. He never had to sacrifice. At least when it came to being "the man" on his teams.
It's fine to say Jordan > Kobe. That will always be true. But they are so alike in mentality and approach and ego. Jordan would have had a similar jealousy fit over Shaq being "the man." Jordan is like 50 years old now and he still has the same ego. We all saw how much of an ass he was at his HOF induction. The guy can't get over himself. He still had it out for his high school teammates and coaches.
In fact, truth be told, Jordan would have probably blown up before Kobe did.
Call it bias or whatever. I have admitted many times over on these boards that I hated Michael Jordan growing up. And while hate is too strong of a word for it now, I do still think that he was and still is an asshole with a massive ego problem, much like the way people think of Kobe. Jordan wouldn't have sit quietly in Shaq's background. You'd be foolish to think he would.
That's just how Pistonfan is in general so don't fault Jamstone. MJ ended their bad boy era which led to them sucking for a decade, so they hate MJ. Kobe shot the Lakers out of the finals in 2004 and gifted the Pistons a le, so they love Kobe.
Wouldnt this argument be better if ... Jordan had Hakeem or Duncan?.. in that case 10+
Can you blame him for that? I know that if I ever got cut from my HS team and then made the HoF in that respective sport I'd be sure to remind that coach about the mistake he made.
Anybody read Medvedenko's garbage in this thread? Or did you all just scroll right through like I did? Anytime MJ versus Kobe is mentioned or even implied you know he's going to waste some space with his uselessness.
He's gotta represent his cousin though...
lol Kobe Bryant's cousin
Hey Medvedenko, since Kobe is your cousin, why not post a pic of you and him together?
He said that in an attempt to be funny. Unbelievable, but true.
What was supposed to be funny about it?
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