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Sad, just sad. He missed, he sucked ...let it go the ring is ALL that matters ...
Kobe is not MJ ...and he has had some ty Finals games along with some great ones ...
no need to obsess ...
Tbh this is actually a good interesting thread hidden agenda put aside. HarlemHeat is raising the bar.
If you wanna talk 6-24 at least Kobe's team won that game, IMO 7-21 is worse since this game ended Kobe's season in 2004:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...406150DET.html
None of these are bad in particular, but when you add up Marion's below average closeout games from 2005-2007 as the highest paid player on the Suns, they're collectively as bad as any of these single games being discussed:
Outscored by Bruce Bowen in 2005:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...506010PHO.html
Worked by Josh Howard on both ends of the court in every which way in 2006:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606030PHO.html
Just like 2005, left Nash and Amare hanging wondering where the 3rd member of their big 3 was while all 3 members of the Spurs big 3 were stepping their game up. Michael in Finley took half the shots he took and scored as many points:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705180SAS.html
Sad, just sad. He missed, he sucked ...let it go the ring is ALL that matters ...
Kobe is not MJ ...and he has had some ty Finals games along with some great ones ...
no need to obsess ...
Game 4 of getting swept in the first round in 2009 by the Cavaliers. Talk about quitting, Rasheed still the highest paid player on the team basically said, "I don't give a anymore." 0-for-7 from the floor for 0 zero points in 29 minutes and gets ejected. Why pretend to care when you really didn't care?
Sheed was and probably will always be one of my favorite players, on the Pistons or not. I thought he was a great NBA personality, in general came across as being very real, didn't hesitate to criticize the NBA establishment, and was a goofy lookin fella too which made his antics even more entertaining. But that 2008-09 season, he was definitely just going through the motions. Didn't really give a at all. Even at his age, he was still the most talented player on that Pistons team and he just said, " it."
I miss having D'Antoni in the Western Conference.
Tbh Sheed still was one of the most talented players in the NBA last year. That baseline turnaround bank shot he finally started using in game 7 if the finals is one of the most undefendable shots in the NBA and it's something Sheed can make whenever he wants to. Boston ed up big time not going to it more often in game 7, when Sheed's team is lucky enough to have a game where he's willing to post up like that it needs to take full advantage.
I don't think you can depend on sheed to knock those shots down. If he's making those tunaround banks it's mostly just a bonus. He's too out of shape to play D on one end and provide offense on the other end.
He looked great in stretches...but you dont want to go into a playoff game thinking sheed is going to provide you X amount of points.
Yeah I'm not saying you can depend on Sheed to be making those shots, I'm saying that when he is consistently posting up and making those shots you need to ride it out and make the most of it, especially since Sheed is someone who will feel no pressure no matter how big the moment while the pressure was obviously getting to Pierce and Allen.
Chauncy poured his heart out trying to win the MVP that season. Best player on the best team, he thought.
Right before game 5, he found out that Nash was going to repeat as MVP. Not only did Chauncy not win the MVP, neither did another deserving player (ala Kobe, at least in Billups' mind) win it. He felt cheated and deflated and showed it not only in game 6, but in game 5 too where he also shot poorly...
C-Bill has never really been the same since...
Best part of Wallace in '10 Finals?...as all the other loser Celtics were heading one way toward the locker room at Staples, he was heading in the opposite direction toward the officials.
It's adorable.
Game 5 of the ECF was played on May 31st, 2006
Here's an article on May 10th announcing Nash's repeat as MVP:
http://www.nba.com/news/nash_mvp_05-06.html
It had been news for some time prior to the ECF that Nash repeated as MVP. Not sure why Pistonfan likes to blame Steve Nash winning MVP for so many of their teams problems but I find it pretty hilarious.
Even if it were true that Chauncey felt deflated during the ECF, that's his fault for using it as an excuse to pack it in when a true compe or would use that as motivation to show the NBA how they ed up giving Nash MVP.
Last edited by Goran Dragic; 07-27-2010 at 12:06 PM.
I agree, i just think its difficult to gauge when to keep feeding him and when to quit while you're ahead. Artest was really in Pierce's head and Allen has the mental for ude of Vince Carter. So it's a shame Sheed doesn't care about staying in shape because he's one of the few guys who doesn't mind the big moments.
I couldn't agree more, the funny thing is Sheed being out of shape and not minding big moments are both side effects of him just not giving a. If he really cared and tried hard then he would obviously stay in better shape, but chances are the finals would matter more to him and he would feel pressure. It's the Manny Ramirez effect. Manny was clutch as as the lazy complacent doofus who did a bunch of dumb , because he was too stupid and care free to ever think about how important certain at bats were.
Last edited by Goran Dragic; 07-27-2010 at 12:10 PM.
I am not blaming Nash. I am blaming Billups. He quit. IIRC, it was rumored that Nash was going to win. IIRC, when it was confirmed, Billups quit.
the part when lebron james decide not to congratulate the magic is the worst performance in a close out/ elimination game.
Quit Hatin'
I had fogotten how bad Manu blasted in the Suns face in that game. Thanks for the memories.
I was a fan of D'antoni believing Kurt Thomas only deserved 16 minutes while Barbosa deserved 27 minutes because Kurt Thomas was the only reason Phoenix had won any games in that series while Barbosa had been beyond useless. I shouldn't question the decision though, they were able to hold Tim Duncan to only 8 offensive rebounds without KT and Barbosa made D'antoni look like a genius with his 5-15 shooting performance.I had fogotten how bad Manu blasted in the Suns face in that game. Thanks for the memories.
I was and still am in many ways a big fan of Chauncey Billups. He was always confident, borderline y, but he always "tried" to be diplomatic despite that iness. Well spoken and really a great leader because not only of his supreme confidence in himself and his teammates but also because of his knowledge of the game (which he greatly improved on during his Pistons tenure) and self-motivation.
But one thing that irritated the out of me when it came to Billups was that he was the king of excuses. Always an "if" man when his team lost. If the Pistons had homecourt advantage, then they would have beaten the Spurs in 2005. If he didn't get hurt or one of his teammates didn't get hurt, they'd have beaten the Heat or the Cavs or the Celtics or whoever else... It was always retrospective excuse making with Chauncey when the team lost in the playoffs. Again, he'd be diplomatic and give credit to the team that beat him and the Pistons, but he'd always use a caveat and say something to the effect "if" this or "if" that, it would have turned out differently. Bugged the out of me and got really old, especially by 2007 after Daniel Gibson shat all over Chauncey and 2008 when Chauncey once again used an ankle injury as an excuse.
This is the first time I've ever heard the excuse that Steve Nash winning the 2006 League MVP made Chauncey Billups play poorly. Never heard that. And it's beyond stupid for that to be a logical justification for playing like crap in the playoffs.
I highly doubt Nash winning MVP made Billups suck ass.
that 40pt loss to the celtics from the fakers in the finals....that was demoralizing
That's what I was suggesting.
Never liked Billups, never will.
I'd rather lose that way compared to losing a close one.
I got over that pretty quickly. Had they lost close, that would've bothered me for months.
It was so demoralizing that we feasted on the next two championships, demolishing a double digit 4th quarter lead in game 7 to send Boston crying back home.
And simultaneously asterisked their '08 win.
Losing two championships in 12 minutes....now that's demoralizing.
tee, hee
How and why did winning in 2010 asterisk Boston's 2008 le?
Since Ron Artest guarded Paul Pierce extremely well, that obviously means Trevor Ariza would have guarded him well in 2008.
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