Page 41 of 47 FirstFirst ... 31373839404142434445 ... LastLast
Results 1,001 to 1,025 of 1165
  1. #1001
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    And I still think they'll be offering TP a max deal and most likely be paying lux tax next season if Tony accepts. I think this deal is actually so the tax impact is less next season if Tony accepts.
    It's possible, though I think there are too many unknowns past this coming season to say for sure.

  2. #1002
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    Yeah, I'm not really denying it looks that way. But for your initial point, this off season has been crazy both ways (players getting overpaid big time, but then also players taking less money than they could have been getting). So I still think that RJ could very well have been thinking he will get more than his money's worth by opting out in the first place.

    Basically, I suspect that you and a lot of other people here are right in it being a strange kind of contract RJ has been getting (still, financially, it isn't that bad for the Spurs considering luxury tax savings and stuff).
    Probably I'm still not able to put together that they would be able to bring over Splitter for this kind of money and at the same time throw money at RJ.
    I know that my point with trying to milk Duncan's window and keeping him "happy" (would he even complain? I honestly don't know) even if it means overpaying RJ in advance (prearranged deal) only to have at least a starting caliber SF is a purely psychological one.
    I think they feel RJ can be what they thought he would be when they signed him up. And maybe he will be. As a fan, I really really hope he is. As I told Kori a while back, my mind tells me it's not going to happen, but my heart really wants him to do well for us.

    In the meantime, they also are making themselves some room for next season in case TP is extended.

  3. #1003
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    It's possible, though I think there are too many unknowns past this coming season to say for sure.
    The CBA discussions are going to be something to watch. I still don't know how owners are going to save face after this season's cap increases.

  4. #1004
    Don't Try. quentin_compson's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Post Count
    2,741
    I mean, I really have no problem if they changed their mind from last season to this season, and now they decided that the gamble is not worth it.
    Actually, I'm pretty sure this is a point we shouldn't underestimate. Holt pretty much went out of his way to get RJ. It didn't work out so well, so I think the chances of him doing that again (getting a better player with a bad contract) were pretty slim to begin with.

  5. #1005
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    The CBA discussions are going to be something to watch. I still don't know how owners are going to save face after this season's cap increases.
    There is the added benefit of the Spurs' getting under the luxury tax so they can take a kind of moral high ground in the CBA negotiations.

  6. #1006
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Well, how's that working out for you?
    Pretty good, actually. How's life?

  7. #1007
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    There is the added benefit of the Spurs' getting under the luxury tax so they can take a kind of moral high ground in the CBA negotiations.
    They just dumped 40M to RJ. They are a part of the bad contracts that were given out.

  8. #1008
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Also, if the Spurs were trying to just save money, does paying your 5th big 16M make sense?

  9. #1009
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    Pretty good, actually.
    Really? You have changed the Spurs' minds about spending?

    They just dumped 40M to RJ. They are a part of the bad contracts that were given out.
    So Manu's deal was worse according to your criteria.

    From a luxury tax standpoint. RJ's is a great deal.

  10. #1010
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    There is the added benefit of the Spurs' getting under the luxury tax so they can take a kind of moral high ground in the CBA negotiations.
    Holt will be representing all owners, not just the Spurs. Plenty of black eyes league-wide in this offseason, starting with the cap numbers, to pretend that teams are struggling. But we'll see how that goes in due time.

  11. #1011
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    Also, if the Spurs were trying to just save money, does paying your 5th big 16M make sense?
    Why pay any player any money?

    If he made $16 million this year and/or put the Spurs into the luxury tax, you might have a point.

  12. #1012
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    Holt will be representing all owners, not just the Spurs.
    Exactly.

  13. #1013
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    So Manu's deal was worse according to your criteria.
    What do you think his criteria is?

  14. #1014
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Really? You have changed the Spurs' minds about spending?
    No, do you expect to change the way the Spurs think with your posts on the team?

    So Manu's deal was worse according to your criteria.

    From a luxury tax standpoint. RJ's is a great deal.
    Manu's contract was seen as a bad one? Because many see RJ's as a bad one.

  15. #1015
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Why pay any player any money?

    If he made $16 million this year and/or put the Spurs into the luxury tax, you might have a point.
    So paying any player money is equal to paying your 5th big 16M?

  16. #1016
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    What do you think his criteria is?
    Money spent on players.

    No, do you expect to change the way the Spurs think with your posts on the team?
    Never. That's why I don't really get upset about what they do.

    Manu's contract was seen as a bad one? Because many see RJ's as a bad one.
    Why do they see it that way?

    Because they think they overpaid for a player?

    Given Manu's injury history, the same could be said of his deal.

    From a business standpoint, however, Manu's deal was a no-brainer.

    Considering it got the Spurs comfortably under the tax threshold to sign other players, RJ's deal is quite a good business deal.

  17. #1017
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    Money spent on players.
    I'm pretty sure that's not his criteria. That's probably why you are confused.

  18. #1018
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    So paying any player money is equal to paying your 5th big 16M?
    1) Is he the 5th big? Is that official?

    2) If all you want to do is "just save money" as you said, why spend more than the bare minimum?

  19. #1019
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    I'm pretty sure that's not his criteria. That's probably why you are confused.
    What are his criteria?

  20. #1020
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    What are his criteria?
    Did you ask him what his criteria was before assuming what it was?

    Maybe you should ask him now so there's no confusion.

  21. #1021
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    Did you ask him what his criteria was before assuming what it was?
    I explained my reasoning pretty clearly.

    If he has a problem with it, he will almost certainly tell me.

  22. #1022
    Robert Horry mode ohmwrecker's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Post Count
    12,135
    This thread has gone off the rails. I'm pretty sure that everything relevant or insightful has already been said . . . like ten pages ago.

  23. #1023
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    Maybe you should ask him now so there's no confusion.
    I'm pretty sure he can say if he personally has an issue with this.

  24. #1024
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,470
    This thread has gone off the rails. I'm pretty sure that everything relevant or insightful has already been said . . . like ten pages ago.
    Thanks for your contribution!

  25. #1025
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    I explained my reasoning pretty clearly.
    I'm not asking about your reasoning, I'm asking you if you asked him what his criteria was. Did you?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •