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    If we had to pick a photo in your list that didn't belong with the others, it'd be a pretty obvious choice.
    no one's gonna jump on this one??

    well..........4 rings !

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    The biggest issue is that Lebron is good enough to be a #1 option/franchise player but instead settled to be a glorified role player. Magic got drafted and stuck with his respective team, as did Bird. Jordan was the same. Lebron should be asking players to come to him, not the other way around.

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    I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a le contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

    Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 les it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.
    Sometimes I feel like two different people post under your name.

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    I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a le contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

    Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 les it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.
    If all three of those guys were put in LeBron's situation (drafted in 2003 to a bad team) I think MJ and Magic could pull off a le within 7 years. MJ practically did it with the Bulls, and Magic has the versatility to adapt to any situation. While he had a stacked team, I could see him adjusting his game to do whatever it takes to win. Bird, although clutch, was primarily a jumpshooter so I think that he would need the right team around him.

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    this is why i lol'ed when magic said he wouldn't done what lebron did. lmao, he had kareem AND worthy. jordan's comment was less hypocritical but there wasn't a team in the NBA during his six championships that had a clear cut better supporting cast than the bulls.

    it's ironic how people ridicule lebron's legacy and say he will go down in history as the second fiddle, yet they forget the help magic, jordan, and bird received on their team. if people are capable of forgetting the hall of fame help magic, jordan, bird, and kareem got, then they will most likely forget the help lebron got.

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    I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a le contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

    Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 les it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.
    one thing is to have a le contender, another to actually win a le. You can play great and have a good team around you and make le runs but if you never win it, no one will say "they were le worthy, just a little unlucky/the other guys were a a little better", they will say "what a bunch of choking POS" (aka, dirk and the mavs)

    still, i dont think the dirk = lebron comparison applies at all. For one, dirk was drafted to a good team and nobody had such high expectations for him, he proved otherwise but is still known as a choker. lebron got drafted by a bad team and people were already putting him in GOAT talk before he played a pro game, he lived up to it statistically, even made a run with a pathetic team, but never came close to actually winning it; until this he didnt get much public criticism (I may be wrong on that since i left the US a couple years back). and now he teammed up with wade and people are going ballistic. its not even coattailing because the heat themselves have been pretty pathetic for the past couple years. the only way I understand all the criticism coming now is the media circus he created just pissed everyone off. i didnt see it but it sounds like it probably would have pissed me off if i did.

    If lebron and wade go on to win 5 or more les, will it really be because wade was his main compe ion and they no longer face each other? isnt kobe-pau-odom comparable to lebron-wade-bosh? whats the big difference, that one trio was created by devious GMing and the other by devious players?

    did people get this upset when kobe bryant forced his way to LA even though he was not a FA? or did they just never have those expectations from him? serious question, as i was living on the other side of the world at the time.

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    Do you have any more cookie cutter proverbs to share?
    I didn't find that anywhere. I need to be reminded that no matter what has come before today, you can always start change today. That's all that's about. If you don't like it, move on. Is this some latent attack because I hold a different opinion than you do about the Miami Heat and Lebron James? Or do you just troll the forums looking for reasons to trash people because your sad, pathetic life doesn't allow for any outlet for your anger?

    Each day offers the potential for change despite what you think of yourself, what reputation you have with others. And you have to make a conscious choice to continue that change once you have started it. I haven't found that anywhere else. It's a truth I don't want to lose so it is on my profile.

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    I couldn't but laugh when Magic Johnson was calling out LeBron for wanting to play with better players.

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    Bird, although clutch, was primarily a jumpshooter so I think that he would need the right team around him.
    Bird just a jumpshooter. One of the best passers in the history of the game and a great rebounder. Dude had some of the most insane passing ability of a frontcourt player ever.

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    The only issue I have is with Magic.

    He had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper and yet he pulls the "I wouldn't have called...." card

    IMO Magic was on the best team ever

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    I don't have anymore cookie cutter proverbs to share.
    Well that sucks bro. I was looking forward to them.

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    Bird just a jumpshooter. One of the best passers in the history of the game and a great rebounder. Dude had some of the most insane passing ability of a frontcourt player ever.
    Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

    His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.

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    Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

    His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.

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    ing Dirks injury and Steve mutha in Kerr
    The only reason the Mavs made it that far was because Webber went down. For the record I don't think anyone was beating the 2003 Spurs. Duncan was beasting and would not be denied.

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    I don't give a ..all I know is that Kobe is a mutha ing dying breed...He transcends generations...he's the best player in the NBA left over from the 90's and Y2K....that makes him the best player of the 20th Century and the best player of the 21st century...my ing Noogaah.... ;-)

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    Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

    His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.
    Havlicek was a bit of a passer, too.

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    I don't give a ..all I know is that Kobe is a mutha ing dying breed...He transcends generations...he's the best player in the NBA left over from the 90's and Y2K....that makes him the best player of the 20th Century and the best player of the 21st century...my ing Noogaah.... ;-)
    This thread has nothing to do with kobe so get his out your mouth for atleast a second.
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    only lakers 2004 did what lebron did...mavdynasty is right nba needs to stop trying so hard to protect its market...with these lame ass comparisons ..its a failed attempted cause lebron did nothing wrong outside nba rules, but Nba is afraid and threaten cause they hear and see expectations of the fans/people cause of this move ..scared as to loose ratings ...

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    what the is this picture doing in a thread about winning championships?

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    what the is this picture doing in a thread about winning championships?
    I GET IT! Its funny cuz they don't have any ahahahahahahahahahahah

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    It's not about doing it alone or not, it's about doing it the old fashioned way.

    Jordan, Magic, Bird, all did it the old fashioned way just like Timmy. A great player didn't join another great player, they were built through the draft, smart trades, luck, etc.

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    the NBA trying to brainwash their fans

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    I GET IT! Its funny cuz they don't have any ahahahahahahahahahahah

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    Believe.
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    The biggest issue is that Lebron is good enough to be a #1 option/franchise player but instead settled to be a glorified role player. Magic got drafted and stuck with his respective team, as did Bird. Jordan was the same. Lebron should be asking players to come to him, not the other way around.
    Didn't Magic throw a fit to ensure he went to the Lakers?

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