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    You have to remember. I am not against the first family having vacations. I have stated as long as they pay what it would have normally cost, then the government needs to pay for the security.

    What I am against, if lib s like you and Chump, lying about the cir stances.

    one more thing. How about taking this to the thread already addressing this topic, rather than spoiling this one.

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    Hundreds is an exaggeration, and he usually went home.
    According to the Associated Press, "Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency."

    http://hnn.us/articles/202.html

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    You have to remember. I am not against the first family having vacations. I have stated as long as they pay what it would have normally cost, then the government needs to pay for the security.

    What I am against, if lib s like you and Chump, lying about the cir stances.

    one more thing. How about taking this to the thread already addressing this topic, rather than spoiling this one.
    your prejudice already spoiled it.

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    The trip referenced in that article was not a vacation, it was to raise awareness of Breast Cancer in the Middle East. Tell me - just what is Mic e raising awareness of with her trip to Spain (especially since everything is closed to the Press), other than the fact she's livin large on the the taxpayer dime!

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    one more thing. How about taking this to the thread already addressing this topic, rather than spoiling this one.
    Exactly! My point was that far too many politicians (on both sides) are totally out of touch with the people they claim to represent. They think they're en led to all these outrageous salaries and perks, while at the same time telling us to make sacrifices.

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    Thee Bell guys were obviously outliers.

    But what they did was apparently completely legal, so they get cut off and pushed out, but no crime, and still get 10s of $Ms in pensions.

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    Well Blake - Bush was in office for 8 years. That's about 416 weekends - multiply by 2 days for each weekend and it gives you 832 days. Now let's add in 2 weeks of official vacation time for 8 years - that's 16 weeks. Since I already counted weekend days, we'll only multiply 16 X 5 week days - that's another 80 days. 832 + 80 = 912 days. Bush spent "all or part" of 977 days either at Camp David or his ranch in Crawford. Soooo - taking out weekends and his "official" vacation time, Bush spent an additional 65 days (or a little over 8 days a year) at Camp David or in Crawford. WOW - what a slacker! And when you figure in that the ranch in Crawford was called "Whitehouse West" because it was equipped with everything the President needed to work from there, and that many of his key staff members accompanied him to Crawford, it's kinda hard to equate that with eating ice cream with your girls while strolling along the sidewalk in various cities!
    why are taxpayers paying flight and security money for Bush to go do presidential work at his ranch in Crawford?

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    why are taxpayers paying flight and security money for Bush to go do presidential work at his ranch in Crawford?
    cuz this dumb says it's ok.

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    You have to remember. I am not against the first family having vacations. I have stated as long as they pay what it would have normally cost, then the government needs to pay for the security.
    I wasn't against it for Bush and I'm not against it for Obama.

    What I am against, if lib s like you and Chump, lying about the cir stances.
    They were trips at taxpayer expense -- which is what this is all about. You are being an idiot insisting none of them could have possibly been a vacation.

    one more thing. How about taking this to the thread already addressing this topic, rather than spoiling this one.
    You want a badge, forum cop?

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    Quote from the LA Times story breaking the case.
    Council members hired Rizzo in 1993 from the High Desert city of Hesperia as interim chief administrative officer with a starting salary of $72,000 a year. By September 2004, he was being paid $300,000 a year. Ten months later, his salary jumped 47% to $442,000.

    His salary continued climbing $52,000 a year until July 1, 2008, when Rizzo received his usual salary increase and signed an addendum to his contract that gave him a 5% raise in September and guaranteed 12% increases each July.

    His last raise was $84,389.76. Next July, he will receive a $94,516 pay hike.

    Rizzo defended his salary and that of his staff and the council by saying they don't receive car or cellphone allowances and must pay their own way to out-of-town conferences.
    Yeah, I know I'd run up an $80K/year cell phone bill pretty easily. And first-class travel to conferences does add up after a while.

    Just amazing that people can be this out of touch. Good riddance.
    One interesting thing to consider. Maybe they got paid what they were worth? they don't have the problems of other cities, and in fact, contract their services to other cities. They must be doing something right.

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    One interesting thing to consider. Maybe they got paid what they were worth? they don't have the problems of other cities, and in fact, contract their services to other cities. They must be doing something right.
    what are city managers and police chiefs worth?

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    The trip referenced in that article was not a vacation, it was to raise awareness of Breast Cancer in the Middle East. Tell me - just what is Mic e raising awareness of with her trip to Spain (especially since everything is closed to the Press), other than the fact she's livin large on the the taxpayer dime!
    The official visit has already been mentioned, idiot.

    Was "everything" "open to the press" with the Bushes?

    No.

    Of course not.

    Only an idiot would think that.

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    what are city managers and police chiefs worth?
    What ever the supply and demand wages will pay them.

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    The official visit has already been mentioned, idiot.

    Was "everything" "open to the press" with the Bushes?

    No.

    Of course not.

    Only an idiot would think that.
    You know Chump, you and I will never agree on anything (except that 9/11 was not an inside job), so let's just call it a day. The country is going to , but there are some people who will never see it. Liberalism flows way too deep and strong in your veins for us to ever have a decent conversation. So - you go your way, and I'll go mine - and time will tell who was right. There is no point in arguing with someone who will NEVER see things from your point of view - I'm a staunch conservative, and you're a flaming liberal - and we both think the other is an idiot!

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    What ever the supply and demand wages will pay them.
    current supply and demand for a city manager even on the high end does not dictate a $780+k annual salary.

    That's why people are pissed and these people are under scrutiny.

    Try to keep up or just shut the up.

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    why are taxpayers paying flight and security money for Bush to go do presidential work at his ranch in Crawford?

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    You know Chump, you and I will never agree on anything (except that 9/11 was not an inside job), so let's just call it a day. The country is going to , but there are some people who will never see it. Liberalism flows way too deep and strong in your veins for us to ever have a decent conversation. So - you go your way, and I'll go mine - and time will tell who was right. There is no point in arguing with someone who will NEVER see things from your point of view - I'm a staunch conservative, and you're a flaming liberal - and we both think the other is an idiot!
    But you have proved yourself to be an idiot.

    lol staunch

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    only a stupid would think he's a flaming liberal.

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    But you have proved yourself to be an idiot.
    Only according to the idiot liberals in this forum. See, I can play that game too.

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    This is the original idiot's question:
    Tell me Chump - how many taxpayer-funded trips did Laura Bush and her daughters take?
    Is the word "vacation" in there at all?

    No.

    Idiots.

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    Clam - I'm sick of you too. You have nothing intelligent to say, so you resort to obscenities. However, I guess I shouldn't expect anything better from you - you're just going by the liberal play book.

    You're a pathetic human being who deserves nothing but pity.

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    And why is Kuwaiti breast cancer an issue for American taxpayers to pay for awareness in the form of a visit by the First Lady and all the costs that entails?

    Is that a wise use of your tax money, Crookshanks?

    Yes or no.

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    Clam - I'm sick of you too. You have nothing intelligent to say, so you resort to obscenities. However, I guess I shouldn't expect anything better from you - you're just going by the liberal play book.

    You're a pathetic human being who deserves nothing but pity.
    so after you say what you think is intelligent, you resort to cut downs.

    but I don't think anyone is really expecting much different from you...

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    Clam - I'm sick of you too. You have nothing intelligent to say, so you resort to obscenities. However, I guess I shouldn't expect anything better from you - you're just going by the liberal play book.

    You're a pathetic human being who deserves nothing but pity.
    and you're a phony.

    you think it's all ok if you name something "white house west".

    conservative........you are not. you're just another big haired, fat ass knuckledragger from texas.

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    LOL. I remember how outraged libs were about Bush's vacations and playing golf. I think Obama is on page to out-do Bush, but I don't want to be like the lib s and express any phony outrage.

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