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    Nice to know that art has survived city budget cuts. they will lay off figher fighters instead:

    The Art of the Ann Arbor City Budget

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    This is total bull . Good link WC.

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    My son went to law school there. Ann Arbor is like Austin North X10. The students run the town.

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    Its not an either or situation. Its easy to get outraged but the city is powerless to change it because the money that is funding that piece of art was raised for that and the account rules in place do not allow for using it for anything other than art.

    In any event, if the students run the town they're doing something right. Ann Arbor is an incredibly nice place.

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    Its not an either or situation. Its easy to get outraged but the city is powerless to change it because the money that is funding that piece of art was raised for that and the account rules in place do not allow for using it for anything other than art.

    In any event, if the students run the town they're doing something right. Ann Arbor is an incredibly nice place.
    But it is an outrage. Here in Portland, OR. We have the same 1% committed to art. over the last several years, and outrage of citizens to repeal that, the demonrats prefer to lay of needed services, instead of changing the law.

    This is unforgivable.

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    Oh so unforgivable. The drama! An outrage! If they can get by without the firefirghters then isn't it just the free market at work, WC?

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    Artrage!

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    LOL....

    There's one i agree with you on.

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    Its not an either or situation. Its easy to get outraged but the city is powerless to change it because the money that is funding that piece of art was raised for that and the account rules in place do not allow for using it for anything other than art.

    In any event, if the students run the town they're doing something right. Ann Arbor is an incredibly nice place.
    Oh, it's definitely a nice place to visit or be a student at. I loved Zingermans. I would just hate to be a full time resident and pay property taxes there with the students deciding how much to tax and how the money gets spent.

    You are being disingenuous to say "the money was raised for art". The money was raised for essential services and the law mandated that a percentaghe be spent on art.

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    WC - championing government increases in Ann Arbor!

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    Oh, it's definitely a nice place to visit or be a student at. I loved Zingermans. I would just hate to be a full time resident and pay property taxes there with the students deciding how much to tax and how the money gets spent.

    You are being disingenuous to say "the money was raised for art". Apparently the vote said if the city spends $900,000 for water mains and sewers (normally considered essential ,services) they have to spend $100,000 for water related art.
    How am I being disingenuous? If a city decides X out of Y amount of dollars go to art, that money goes to art. If they accounting rules say you can't use it for other projects, then those are the rules the residents decided on.

    What you seem to fail to realize is that this is what the residents want. So it really doesn't matter what you or WC want.

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    How am I being disingenuous? If a city decides X out of Y amount of dollars go to art, that money goes to art. If they accounting rules say you can't use it for other projects, then those are the rules the residents decided on.

    What you seem to fail to realize is that this is what the residents want. So it really doesn't matter what you or WC want.
    The REAL residents that live and pay taxes there or the student transients that don't?

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    The REAL residents that live and pay taxes there or the student transients that don't?
    Which taxes do the students not pay?

    Do you want to take away their vote?

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    Oh, those students always the ones on the city councils!

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    Which taxes do the students not pay?

    Do you want to take away their vote?
    Of course not. Let them vote absentee in their hometowns.

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    I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing. I could give a if Ann Arbor wants to waste $850,000 on a water sculpture that will be an ice sculpture 7 months a year.

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    So CC the students pushed the public art fund through, huh? Can you give me a link or two to read up on that?

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    Well everyone here is arguing for the sake of arguing but you're just doing it really poorly.

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    Of course not. Let them vote absentee in their hometowns.
    So you don't want them to vote where they live.

    OK.

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    So CC the students pushed the public art fund through, huh? Can you give me a link or two to read up on that?
    You have been there. You know how it works. That is, if you paid attention which is highly unlikely.

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    Yes, I know how it works in just about every city across this nation. Students don't run any of them. The people with money do.

    How many students sit on the Ann Arbor city council, CC?

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    Ann Arbor has what...114,000 people total? UM has what 60,000 students and faculty?

    Even someone as stupid as Manny should be able to see who has the voting power in Ann Arbor.

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    Of course not. Let them vote absentee in their hometowns.

    what if they don't have a home town? army brats?

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    How many of those live in Ann Arbor? How many live in Ypsilanti or other areas? If you would have paid attention when you were there you might know some of these answers.

    Out of the ones that live in Ann Arbor how many are registered to vote there? What was their turnout in the last local election?

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    But it is an outrage. Here in Portland, OR. We have the same 1% committed to art. over the last several years, and outrage of citizens to repeal that, the demonrats prefer to lay of needed services, instead of changing the law.

    This is unforgivable.
    Councilman Kunselman, democrat, agrees.

    Ann Arbor City Council member Stephen Kunselman, a Democrat, opposed the art deal.

    "I think it is incredibly insensitive," Kunselman said. "It is insensitive to the staff and their morale. It is insensitive to the community. There are people out there struggling financially, and here we are spending a large amount of money on a piece of art."

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