Got into a heated discussion today with a co-worker

[ohmwrecker]

Forget the guy that beats women.

She ate french fries off his plate!

But seriously, how is that relevant to this discussion?

[Goran Dragic]

Tbh I'd take a prime Derek Fisher over either one

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He shot lights out because he was wide open. If Nash gave him as many wide open shots as Kidd did, the exact same thing would have happened. He was a 40% 3 point shooter during the regular season, those aren't players you just float off and hope miss the open 3's you give them.

I hear you man, but I doubt Kidd in all his years in the league would simply decide to just leave Hill open for the of it. Hill is much more deadly when he's attacking the rim with his quickness. The Mavs were sagging off a lot of the Spur shooters to collapse the lane. You make it sound like Nash was all over Hill on the defensive end. Hill spent so much energy chasing Nash it also affected his offensive game. I think the Suns did a solid defensive job against the Spurs last playoffs, but I also think Hill was missing a lot of the same shots he was hitting against the Suns. Steve Nash would never be able to "hold" anyone to 37% shooting. He routinely gets burned by other team's PG's, I just think Hill played worse as the playoffs went on.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Btw the Spursdynasty comment was about you basically saying "George Hill just shot some shots"

ahhh, that makes sense

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He shot lights out because he was wide open. If Nash gave him as many wide open shots as Kidd did, the exact same thing would have happened. He was a 40% 3 point shooter during the regular season, those aren't players you just float off and hope miss the open 3's you give them.

I'm gonna need to re-watch some of those Suns/Spurs games to see how open or heavily guarded Hill actually was. I think Channing Frye and Dragic going off for career games ed with me too much during that series.

[sharpshooter13]

lol someone post under Goran Dragic

[Goran Dragic]

I hear you man, but I doubt Kidd in all his years in the league would simply decide to just leave Hill open for the of it. Hill is much more deadly when he's attacking the rim with his quickness. The Mavs were sagging off a lot of the Spur shooters to collapse the lane. You make it sound like Nash was all over Hill on the defensive end. Hill spent so much energy chasing Nash it also affected his offensive game. I think the Suns did a solid defensive job against the Spurs last playoffs, but I also think Hill was missing a lot of the same shots he was hitting against the Suns. Steve Nash would never be able to "hold" anyone to 37% shooting. He routinely gets burned by other team's PG's, I just think Hill played worse as the playoffs went on.

You'd be surprised how Nash can defend when he's putting energy into it, this is the first season Nash had a coach who demanded consistent defense out of him and he played average to above average D all year (and this is not a bias opinion, idk how many rants I had on this site from the 2009 season about how bad his D was).

I'll admit the Suns benefited from Hill putting his name on the scouting report from the Dallas series, but my view is that Kidd let Hill get a great rhythm going. While Nash might have left him a few open shots, he never got a rhythm going in the Suns series and likewise wasn't consistently hitting open shots.

[BUMP]

Nash>Kidd

/thread

/discussion

/anyone who disagrees should kill themselves

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You'd be surprised how Nash can defend when he's putting energy into it, this is the first season Nash had a coach who demanded consistent defense out of him and he played average to above average D all year (and this is not a bias opinion, idk how many rants I had on this site from the 2009 season about how bad his D was).

I'll admit the Suns benefited from Hill putting his name on the scouting report from the Dallas series, but my view is that Kidd let Hill get a great rhythm going. While Nash might have left him a few open shots, he never got a rhythm going in the Suns series and likewise wasn't consistently hitting open shots.

Last thing I will say, that probably helps your argument over mine, is that looking over the box scores from the Suns/Spurs games regular season and playoffs this past season, Hill struggled badly in virtually every game.

[ohmwrecker]

Hill got pretty much the same looks in the Suns series, he just didn't hit his shots. Nobody did. The big difference is that Hill will expend more energy and effort defending Nash/Kidd and his offense will suffer for it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Hill got pretty much the same looks in the Suns series, he just didn't hit his shots. Nobody did.

I really wanna download some of the games from the series. It has to be more than coincidence that Hill shoots poorly every time he went up against the Suns. I'm really curious to see what exactly happened.

[HarlemHeat37]

I have the games, I'll check them out in a few hours, it interests me as well, actually..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I have the games, I'll check them out in a few hours, it interests me as well, actually..

Nice. Let us know what you find

[Greg Oden]

Nash>Kidd

/thread

/discussion

/anyone who disagrees should kill themselves

crofl powder blue

[ohmwrecker]

I really wanna download some of the games from the series. It has to be more than coincidence that Hill shoots poorly every time he went up against the Suns. I'm really curious to see what exactly happened.

I edited my post giving my explanation. Hill will get better at managing his energy and more confidence in his shot, but I think that is the issue.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Hill got pretty much the same looks in the Suns series, he just didn't hit his shots. Nobody did. The big difference is that Hill will expend more energy and effort defending Nash/Kidd and his offense will suffer for it.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Without Bowen to cover Nash anymore, Hill had to burn energy on both ends of the court, whereas Kidd only does most of his scoring damage as a stand still 3 point shooter.

[sharpshooter13]

With all his new weapons, Nash should have another great season next year. While it seems Kidd is officially done. Nash has more longevity.