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ian was a bust. we'll see what happens with gee but for now the toros are yet to really produce a player that has proven to make a solid rotation player.
Maybe I'm just a little disappointed that Malik is gone now but I think it's time to draw a line and evaluate the true contribution of the Toros to the big team.
We used the system to develop Marcus Williams, Ian Mahimni, Malik Hairston among others (those three were the ones that spent more time there) and no results for the big team thus far.
Can someone please remind me of the value of having the franchise run the Spurs system if they haven't been able to produce contributors?
Hopefully this thread will make me eat crow this year with Jerrells and Gee; hopefully. I'll gladly do so.
Last edited by urunobili; 07-29-2010 at 09:57 AM.
ian was a bust. we'll see what happens with gee but for now the toros are yet to really produce a player that has proven to make a solid rotation player.
Austin is a way for the Spurs to stash guys long enough to get rid of them without complaint from the fanbase. Beno cost too much money to get rid of. It would have been much simpler to just let him rot in Austin for a few years and let him fade away.
People really need to accept the reality that the d-league is for guys who don't belong in the nba. Sure, every now and then there's an exception, but they're very few and very far between.
Honestly, the Toros have been a waste of time so far. They haven't provided anything of use.
this is very true. the d-league is a haven for tweeners or very unpolished bigs. the CBA was actually a better venue but now it seems the players who used to occupy the ranks of that league more often than not end up playing in europe.
So far, the D-league is cover for poor draft picks.
In baseball, hockey, and American football, farm teams are useful because teams' line-ups are vast by comparison with NBA teams. This means they can hire guys to spell their horses, or who have one quirk that makes them valuable in certain situations. In the NBA, the size limitations of the team mean any player taken on must be competent enough to play at a fairly high level to justify his membership, and most of the D-leaguers just aren't up to it. It's cool that people have an opportunity to see more basketball in this country because of the NBDL, but the current gulf of skill between the D-league and the NBA is an argument for sending players abroad and letting them compete in leagues that allow them to challenge themselves.
If the NBDL has a difficulty level of, say, 5, then the NBA has a 10. Developing players need to be able to get through 6,7,8 and 9 depending on their skill so that the real cream can rise to the top.
D-league isn't really working out.
I think a lot of players are unpolished when they leave college. They've all got the same athleticism, however the skill is just not there. D-league apparently doesn't improve one's skill set.
It's just a place to evaluate a pool of players that didn't get drafted.
Stashing players overseas, while riskier... is still the better option if you really want their game to develop
How has that worked out better for the Spurs? No draft and stash has fared any better than the D-league guys. In fact, the Spurs' recent draft record is growing more and more dismal by the day.
They all looked like superstars in the D-League. Which tells you a whole lot more about the D-League than anything else. I do agree that a trip to Europe probably provides better compe ion, but it's not a sure thing either. See: Gist, James.
Well I totally disagree about that. The Spurs have done pretty well in the draft lately. If a later round guy doesn't work out, is that really an indicator of failure? Not in my estimation.
I've read that the new CBA agreement will probably end the one year NCAA rule. If so a D-team would make sense for recent HS players who aren't college material.
Yep. That draft record is just awful. The last 4 drafts have only produced 4 guys who are going to be rotation players this year. Can't get much worse than that.
Wasn't Ginobili a "draft and stash" player?
Must not be that good when two of those guys have never played a second in the NBA. Make sure not to go back an extra five years to find that the number of rotation players doesn't increase.
Opinions vary, but I wouldn't call him that anymore than I'd call David Robinson a draft and stash player.
You honestly think that is even remotely comparable?
And Splitter.
Unfortunately for the Spurs that's kinda how this whole draft thing works. First you get drafted and then you get to play in the NBA. Not the other way around.
Of course it's no guarantee (Gist, Javtokas, Sanikidze).... but then again, nothing in life is.
Manu, Splitter, technically Scola.... how has any D-leaguer done better than those guys?
The fact is that most leagues in Europe are better than D-league and guys will become better players by playing there than by playing here. Yeah, it's riskier... but better to watch them get better and not take up a roster space, than have them hold a roster spot and watch them score 30ppg against scrubs and not get any better
Manu was under contract with Kinder Bologna, was he not? Unless I'm remembering things incorrectly the Spurs didn't have any choice about how long it was going to take for him to join the team.You honestly think that is even remotely comparable?
If we're talking about guys that the Spurs drafted based on potential and sent to Europe to improve, then Splitter, Scola and Manu aren't on that list. They were all NBA talents with questionable availibility due to obligations to other teams. That's closer to David Robinson than Romain Sato. So far, James Gist hasn't outshone Malik Hairston.
Maybe so in case of injury or if Pop wants to rest some stars.....we can bring in average talent that is familiar with the Spurs System....ala Temple, Hairston, and other....we all think they have a future on the Spurs bench....but maybe they just did very well because they knew where to be on the court both offense and defense..
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