ditoThanks to Sham and you as always. I can't tell you how appreciated it is that you to take the time to help people like myself get a better understanding and knowledge of all of this.
Great job.
By the by, I'm not as rosy as others on the tax situation...though who the am I?...I put the Spurs @ $1.5mil over the line with all 15 currently contracted players.
A lot depends on whether Anderson is 120% and if Bonner's deal is for $14 or $16 million.
They can get under the line by a good deal, but that would require ditching Hairston, Gee, Temple, and Jerrells, but that doesn't help because they would be two players short of league min.
ditoThanks to Sham and you as always. I can't tell you how appreciated it is that you to take the time to help people like myself get a better understanding and knowledge of all of this.
Great job.
We're not 100% sure of Bonner's number but $3.05 is probably pretty damn close if it's not it. Neal and all the non-guaranteed players count $854,389 against the tax.
This is how I see the tax situation. Anybody out there have comments, questions, or suggestions?
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I have the same numbers. They seem correct to me.
Hairston's gone, assuming we cut Jerrels too we can afford $1.1m for a back-up SF without going into the tax
Gee is only one to survive from the 4 non guaranteed contracts. he is currently the only player who makes sense on this roster (the signing of Neal and Anderson make it even more obsolete to carry either Temple and Jerrells). he has the size (not perfect but better than Anderson) and athleticism to play some SF.
That's not quite how I see it. Even after removing Hairston from the mix, the Spurs are still $250K over the tax line. Dropping Jerrells doesn't help add to the team, it only saves the team from paying the tax.
Gee is a wing; Temple is a combo guard (on this team, a PG). The Spurs only have two other PG's, so carrying a third makes sense. Otherwise, if an injury occurs to one of the top two PG's, the other one and Ginobili will have to be run into the ground.
Hairston leaving assured Gee of a roster spot. But I still think he ends up playing primarily with the Toros and the Spurs sign a veteran SF (Hayes) or wing (Bogans) to fill Hairston's spot.
Neal played the combo role in Europe a lot and he wasn't bad in doing so. I do think this is also what the Spurs will ask from him. and as we know, Manu can run the show whenever asked for. so I don't see an urgent need to carry a 3rd stringer PG as insurance policy.
but, but, but, but Pop said temple was his new favorite player. That has to count for something right?
Spurs have 11 players under guaranteed contracts. 2 players must be added to reach the minimum roster size. Maybe Spurs will add some vets but they haven't for the moment so 2 among Temple, Gee and Jerrells will be kept.
IMO temple is a lock and I think Gee will take the last spot
I tend to agree with you
It's possible. If Temple is not regularly active, I could see Neal playing this role by default in blowouts (so as to not unnecessarily wear out Parker, Ginobili and Hill). Maybe there's not an urgent need to carry a third PG, but it's good to have for depth purposes. Size and ball handling are the two areas you least want to get caught short in.
If Temple and Gee stick, they will float between the active and inactive lists and between Austin and San Antonio. Can't see Pop using them all that consistently throughout the season.
The Spurs have left themselves too much flexibility for them not to make any additional moves. As much as I think they should avoid the tax, there are still some serviceable players out there that could be of use.
Shamsports has Bonner's salary @
$3,000,000
$3,315,000
$3,630,000
$3,945,000
($13.89Mil total)
Last year is $1mil guaranteed, converting to fully guaranteed if not waived before June 29th, 2013. Also, there are performance bonuses listed as unlikely, that don't affect the cap calculation, but could affect the tax if Ginger Beer has a great year and earns some or all of them.
Not as bad as we had heard. Still should have been less, IMO.
Actually, that's a pretty fair contract for Bonner. Value-wise, at least (even if you'd rather not have him on the tem).
We got Splitter's numbers as well:
$3,400,000
$3,672,000
$3,944,000
$4,930,000 (4th-year QO)
So the Spurs have at least $50K worth of room from the projections based on Bonner's salary of being $3.05M. I'll be interested in seeing the exact figures for Neal as well, which I believe to be pretty close, as we were with Bonner.
Here's another look at the salaries with Jefferson's opt-out/opt-in weighed:
Reigning Black: 2010-11 San Antonio Spurs Salaries
Just subtract $50K from the final figures now.
ShamSports now has James Anderson's numbers as well. With incentives, he can earn up to 120% in the first year, 115% in year two, and 117% in year 3. That makes his numbers:
2010-11: $1,361,400
2011-12: $1,402,540
2012-13: $1,526,499 (team option)
2013-14: $2,353,861 (team option)
2014-15: $3,373,083 (qualifying offer)
Also official numbers now up for Jefferson and Neal. I'll let you go to the link for the gory details and give Sham some hits:
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp
But basic info: RJ as previously reported, Neal $525k for year 1, years 2 and 3 fully non-guaranteed.
Beat me to it.
I'm sneaky fast sometimes.Beat me to it.
......But usually I'm as slow as molasses.
Nice, I've updated the first post with these numbers.
To avoid you re-reading the whole post, the main part I've updated that isn't just numbers:
BTW, it's on purpose that I don't do a sheet with salaries even if it's way clearer than listing salaries year by year. I still steal Sham's salaries' numbers, if you want to have a great salary sheet go on his site.Impact of the luxury tax on Spurs for 10-11:
Spurs are $2,468,857 under the tax threshold with 11 guaranteed salaries. The luxury tax will be a huge factor for Spurs to fill the end of their roster. It seems rather unlikely that Spurs go over the tax for some marginal players.
Players that aren't draft picks count for at least $854,389 against the tax. Spurs won't be able to carry 14 players the whole year and stay under the tax. The only way they can do it is if one of these 14 players is a 2nd round pick (Gist or Richards).
For the moment, the most likely scenario is Spurs carrying 13 players at the start of the season: the 11 players with a guaranteed contract plus Temple and Gee. They will be $760K below the tax which will allow them to sign some players during the season.
Other scenarios are possible like Spurs carrying 14 players at the start of the season and waiving a player with an non-guaranteed contact before he became guaranteed on January 10th. If Neal is bad, he could also be salary dumped before the trade deadline. His contract is easily tradable.
Salaries listed in this post aren't the definitive salaries that will count against the tax because of bonuses. It's possible that Spurs have even less breathing room than expected.
Regarding Neal and Jefferson contract:
- Jefferson contract is really big. I'm less than thrill with Spurs paying $11M for a 33 years old RJ. Saying that, RJ is a good player who can be significantly better than last year. I hope it will be the case, otherwise Spurs will soon have an awful contract in their hands.
- Neal contract is great. If he is good, he is locked for 3 years at a bargain price. If he sucks, he can be waived next summer for free or he can be easily traded before next trade deadline. Great work by the FO on this one.
Spurs also start to have a lot of money committed for 2011-2012. I hope it won't create some problems for them.
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