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  1. #76
    none shall pass SomeCallMeTim's Avatar
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    TBH, I think rings should not be a factor in determining GOATness, IMO if you have a great GM that can surround you with talent, youre winning championships if not then tough luck.
    I find myself nodding in agreement with a lot of your posts. You just might be the most sensible Bullfan I've ever encountered, especially because Bullfans are so predisposed to "it's all about the ringz!!!!1!!!"

    Needless to say, I agree with you on this. Rings are overrated when determining best players.

  2. #77
    none shall pass SomeCallMeTim's Avatar
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    Gotta be Paxson. Twixt Barkley needlessly gambling on the pass, Ainge unbelievably doubling off Paxson, a three-point specialist, to defend an already in trouble Grant when only a three can beat you, and the greater context of hosting a game 7 of the Finals for a le-less franchise, it has to be Paxson's three.

    Worth mention is Elie's "kiss off" to Phoenix in Game 7 of the 1995 Semifinals, and Horry's "nudging" elbow to Nash and ensuing fracas in the waning seconds of 2007's Semifinal's comeback in San Antonio, and losing the Greatest Game Ever Played in 1976.

    But pure moment, Gotta be losing the Finals at home on a shot that never should have been allowed to be attempted.
    Yeah... if there was a "moment" for Phx, that was it. I remember watching that live, on a tiny TV in a little house in Colorado. Hard to believe that was 17 years ago.

  3. #78
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    You don't cry conspiracy when you miss 15 straight shots.
    X2

    The blazers lost that game plain and simple.. refs had nothing to do with it.. I can't remember a questionable call.. all that comes to mind is a lot of guys who at one point of there career averaged close to 20ppg and the one time we needed a go to guy he was no where to be found... along with a ing timeout! The lack of a real appointed go to guy is what truly caused that epic choke job imho.

  4. #79
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    2006 Finals and seeing the Heat and STD infected pussy Wade getting the MVP trophy in Dallas at the AAC.
    2007 First round series against the Warriors. Epic fail.
    And this year's outing in the playoffs was pretty bad too.

    I would also put the game during the 2002-2003 season where the Mavs were playing the Lakers in LA and blew a 27 point lead as one of the worst moments in Mavs' history.

  5. #80
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    .4

  6. #81
    Believe. Mori Chu's Avatar
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    Mori, draggin' that Spur ass to the tree of woe & gettin' his crucifin' on.

    muhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

    ***And I saw you over there a couple weeks back tearing that Sose Joint ass up over those trades, Mori. I was tickled pink!
    Yeah, though I probably shouldn't red-ass the Spur fans at all. Because in a few short months, my team is gonna come out of the gate with its pants round its ankles, just asking for it. It's gonna be a long 2010-11 season for us Suns fans. A 7 seed and out in the 1st round, that's our ceiling. Even the creaky Spurs with their Tiago Splitter signing have a brighter outlook than we do.

    But damnit I want my moment. We swept their asses and I damn sure ain't gonna let them forget it.

  7. #82
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    ....I'll help ya in not lettin' 'em forget it, Mori.

  8. #83
    Truth, justice, and the NBA
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    0.4

    ginobili's foul

    could've had a 5-peat man...
    +1

  9. #84
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    Ginobili's foul

    Could've had a 5-peat man...
    Except reversing either play guarantees nothing by way of a championship in either post season...

  10. #85
    Get Sarver out!!!! pauls931's Avatar
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    Gotta be Paxson. Twixt Barkley needlessly gambling on the pass, Ainge unbelievably doubling off Paxson, a three-point specialist, to defend an already in trouble Grant when only a three can beat you, and the greater context of hosting a game 7 of the Finals for a le-less franchise, it has to be Paxson's three.

    Worth mention is Elie's "kiss off" to Phoenix in Game 7 of the 1995 Semifinals, and Horry's "nudging" elbow to Nash and ensuing fracas in the waning seconds of 2007's Semifinal's comeback in San Antonio, and losing the Greatest Game Ever Played in 1976.

    But pure moment, Gotta be losing the Finals at home on a shot that never should have been allowed to be attempted.
    If I were forced, I'd say Amare and Diaw leaving the bench. That team had the best shot at winning a le of any of those teams, even moreso that the 1993 team. (no one makes excuses, but Barkley was playing hurt) They probably could have closed out the Spurs and then a decent match with Utah before steamrolling whoever came out of the east.

    Or losing the coin flip for Lew Alcindor...

  11. #86
    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    1995. I thought Spurs were going to win it all; then Olajuwon toyed with Robinson, and Horry made his only basket of game 1 at the worst time

    2001. Duncan's injury; I`m pretty sure we would have repeated if he didnt miss the playoffs

    2002. 0-4 vs L.A; they handed our asses to us; it was brutal

    2004 .4

    2006. ing Manu Ginobili

  12. #87
    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    2000. Duncan's injury; i`m pretty sure we would have repeated if he didnt miss the playoffs

    2001. 0-4 vs l.a; they handed our asses to us; it was brutal
    fify

  13. #88
    Clever got me this far... JMarkJohns's Avatar
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    If I were forced, I'd say Amare and Diaw leaving the bench. That team had the best shot at winning a le of any of those teams, even moreso that the 1993 team. (no one makes excuses, but Barkley was playing hurt) They probably could have closed out the Spurs and then a decent match with Utah before steamrolling whoever came out of the east.

    Or losing the coin flip for Lew Alcindor...
    Never underestimate the negating impact that was D'Antoni as head coach.

    I don't think you can assume that the Suns would have won the closeout game in SA, or that they could handle SA's savvy in a pressure-packed game seven at home. Nor do I think you can assume they make it past both Utah and Cleveland. D'Antoni was worth a minimum of two losses each series, and any time you spot good teams two games, you're asking for trouble.

    Good call on the 1969 coinflip. That completely re-wrote history.

    Each is up there as a moment, but being one defensive stop short of tying a Finals series and hosting a deciding game seven and doing it in such bone-headed fashion provides a greater context that is too immediate in its significance to ignore compared to the others. No other moment cost the Suns so much so late and in so devastating a fashion.

  14. #89
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    Game 7 of the 2000 wcf... watching the implosion as the only blazer fan in a room full of purple and gold put me in a place that only kurt cobains last moments could relate to.. then kobe to shaq and I knew it was over.
    I was at THAT one greatest basketball moment of my life ... LOL

    this is a GREAT topic ...really tough there are A LOT even with ALL the winning the Lakers have done ...


    I'll stick to three that have happened on "my watch" as a Laker fan (in order).

    1. 1986 the Ralph Sampson shot. I was a youngn' and I was devestated all summer...

    2. 2002 regular season ...EVERYONE points to 2004 (Colorado, Payton Malone losing to Pistons). but I enjoyed that 2002 less than EVERY other le team I have ever rooted for in any sport. Everyone puts it all on kobe but Shaq and Kobe (and to some extent Phil) let their petty egos, rip apart a potential dynasty the league hadn't seen since 80's run it's course BEFORE it TRULY got rolling. Shaq let himself get fat, and put off surgery until the season's had started and refused to cede any authority on the team to kobe. Kobe took some ill-advised shots and fought back in the media through those ESPN pricks ...And Phil took his shots at both through the media ...I can't lbame anyone for hating THAT lakers team i could barely stomach them either...

    I didnt even throughly enjoy that team until the playoffs ...Horry and the trash-talking kings finally redeemed that season for me.

    3. The byron Scott and magic hamstring injuries in the 1989 finals ...MAYBE we still lose, we were aging fast ...but to not get a chance to 3 peat was tough ...

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    .4 and it's not even close

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    Detroit Pistons...

    Probably from a franchise perspective, the Palace brawl will be long remembered as the biggest black eye to the team and Detroit fans. It was bad for a while, but I've gotten over it. And the Darko pick will live in infamy much like Sam Bowie. Those two things will go probably go down as the worst of the lot. Those have both also been mentioned in the thread already.

    But at least on the court and having to do with actual basketball play, I have a couple others to mention. All of these happened before the back-to-back les in 1989 and 1990, but those two les helped soften the blow of these horrible moments for Pistons fans.

    First, the alleged "phantom" foul on Bill Laimbeer against a Kareem sky hook in game 6 of the 1988 Finals. It saved game 6 for the Lakers despite Isiah scoring 43 points and having that 25 point third quarter on a sprained ankle. Then, game 7 against the Boston Celtics in 1987 when the Pistons had the game pretty much in control but Adrian Dantley and Vinnie Johnson both dove for a loose ball and collided heads. Dantley was finished and neither played the rest of the game. The Celtics won by something like 3 points despite Detroit controlling most of that game before the head collision.
    But the most famous worst Detroit Pistons moment on the court regarding actual basketball play is from that same 1987 series against the Celtics in game 5 and I still cringe when I see the highlight. Dammit, Isiah!

    I remember that of course i WANTED the Celts bad inthe Fnals that year BUt Detroit was already the better team ...

  17. #92
    Set for life Budkin's Avatar
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    .4 or Ginobili foul... nothing else comes close.

  18. #93
    What? bostonguy's Avatar
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    Since I didn't start watching until the mid-90's, I can't talk about the previous years however the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis clearly impacted the rough times I endured.

    1997- Not getting the #1 pick. I wanted Duncan so badly. That was a pretty big blow. If the Celts had landed Duncan, we could have had many years of Lakers/Celtics finals. Instead we had to settle for Ron Mercer and Chauncy Billips.


    2002 ECF -After that amazing 26 point come from behind game 3 victory, Pierce bricked a key free throw in game 4 that would have sent the game into overtime. Instead the series evened at 2-2 and New Jersey never looked back.


    2003/2004-Getting swept by the Nets and Pacers.

    2005- Losing by 27 points at home in a game 7 to the Pacers.


    2006-2007- Going 24-58,losing a franchise record 18 games in a row, and being unable to get the the #1 pick. Luckily they turned those misfortunes into KG and Ray Allen which led to #17.

    2009- KG going down with a knee injury.


    2010 finals- Losing games 6 and 7 after having a 3-2 series lead.

  19. #94
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    http://www.nba.com/nba_news/duncan_injury_071202.html
    beginning of the end for any chance at these

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nba/0...avs-game-1.htm
    Juwan knocks down Derek Anderson, that was a major blow


    Play that ended Bowen's career


    nuff said






  20. #95
    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    http://www.nba.com/nba_news/duncan_injury_071202.html
    beginning of the end for any chance at these

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nba/0...avs-game-1.htm
    Juwan knocks down Derek Anderson, that was a major blow


    Play that ended Bowen's career


    nuff said




    Great job alchemist with video to back it up as well ...

    this thread was refreshing change and also cathartic ...Even the best franchises: Lakers, Celts spurs etc.

    Have had their dark days ...and we remember those losses for life ...

    BUT the wining after helps ...a lot. if my team can't win it i would root for the cavs or another long suffering fan-base win it all ...

    But there are a select few franchise I hope never ring or ring again and they include: Utah (though I admire DWill), Sacto, Phoenix (yall players talk too much for never having won anything) Dallas (ditto) and Miami im already sick of the Miami thrice ... or the (3 big egos)




  21. #96
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    As a Laker fan...one moment will be ingrained in our brains forever. No injury compares. No loss in the finals compares. No 40 pt beating courtesy of the Celtics compares. No NBA le for the Celtic compares.


    The worst moment in Laker history is the day Magic Johnson had to announce his retirement fron the NBA due to the HIV virus.

  22. #97
    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    As a Laker fan...one moment will be ingrained in our brains forever. No injury compares. No loss in the finals compares. No 40 pt beating courtesy of the Celtics compares. No NBA le for the Celtic compares.


    The worst moment in Laker history is the day Magic Johnson had to announce his retirement fron the NBA due to the HIV virus.
    I agree it does trump the on the court ones ... I saw my mom cry that day and she is not a crier ...

  23. #98
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    Lakers >>> Sp*rs: Fo Fo Fo

  24. #99
    Each Day Offers Potential Darrin's Avatar
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  25. #100
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    Not the darkest day, but the loss in the 2004 finals sucked balls considering what transpired afterwards (Loss of Phil, Shaq, Fisher, Payton, Malone, Fox). And then we sign Smush Parker... :|

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